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On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 17:09:09 +1000, Mad Hamish
<newsunspammelaws@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Aug 2024 17:37:28 -0500, Lynn McGuire
><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 8/19/2024 9:58 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On 18 Aug 2024 23:41:31 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> The Horny Goat  <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 09:12:15 -0700, Paul S Person
>>>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Still probably a bad decision, though. But then, so was the =
private
>>>>>> server itself. When working for the gummint on gummint time one =
really
>>>>>> should use the gummint server. It might even be harder to hack =
than a
>>>>>> private server, who can say?
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps, but Washington has the right to access a server they own =
at
>>>>> any time they choose without a warrant.
>>>>
>>>> This is true, but government-owned mail servers have a whole host of
>>>> requirements that come down from the DHS, from two-factor =
authentication
>>>> on down to particular header formats.  It's a major pain in the neck
>>>> (and it's why small governmental organizations will try and use
>>>> unauthorized mail servers whenever they possibly can).
>>>>
>>>> One of the big deals is that email is considered a public record and
>>>> consequently needs to be archived.  Its not just that it can be =
accessed
>>>> by some other governmental organization, it all needs to be archived
>>>> in specific ways.  This is also a pain, but in the case of something
>>>> like the Clinton server in question it's also very important for
>>>> historical reference.
>>>=20
>>> Which all goes to show why the Trump/Republican attacks on Hillary =
for
>>> having her own server had a certain ... weight and solidity ... that
>>> the other attacks mostly lacked.
>>>=20
>>> One of the issues was whether anything on it was classified. I seem =
to
>>> recall that the story was that some things may have classified
>>> elsewhere, but had all been declassified on reaching the State Dept.
>>> Which sounds a bit ... loosy goosy ... to me, but then Trump was =
found
>>> to have undeniably classified paper documents at Mar-a-Lago after he
>>> left office. And, since they have it camera, tried to hide them when
>>> asked to give them up.
>>>=20
>>> Hillary's mail server seems almost ... quaint ... in comparison. =
Still
>>> not a good idea, however.
>>
>>Trump, as PRESIDENT of the USA, had the power to declassify ANYTHING he=
=20
>>wanted to.=20
>
>'In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental
>agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions
>memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information
>Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point:
>=93Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow
>specified procedures,=94 the court said.'
>
>> All those supposedly classified papers were declassified by=20
>>him while he was President.
>
>No they weren't=20
>as he acknowledges in a transcipt of a meeting where he was showing
>people papers he'd taken=20
>
>https://abcnews.go.com/US/secret-information-trump-audio-recording-talks=
-declassifying-documents/story?id=3D99960824
>Trump is heard on the audio recording saying, as described to ABC
>News, "As president I could have declassified, but now I can't."
>
>"Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret
>information. Look, look at this. This was done by the military and
>given to me,"=20
>
>"Well, with Milley -- uh, let me see that, I'll show you an example.
>He said that I wanted to attack Iran. Isn't that amazing? I have a big
>pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. This was him. They
>presented me this -- this is off the record, but -- they presented me
>this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him,"
>
>>
>>And now the case has been thrown out of court due to the improper=20
>>appointment of the prosecutor
>
>No, the Trump appointed judge has decided that the appoinment of the
>Special Counsel was improperly selected
>A judgement that goes against decades of precedent
>=93The dismissal of the case deviates from the uniform conclusion of all
>previous courts to have considered the issue that the Attorney General
>is statutorily authorized to appoint a Special Counsel,"
>
>> and the mismanagement of the papers seized=20
>>from Trump's house.=20
>
>Bullshit
>
>> Trump has now filed a civil lawsuit against the DOJ=20
>>for $100 million due to the incompetence of the DOJ.
>>
>Sure, Trump suing somebody just proves there's a lawyer dumb enough to
>take his case and hope they'll eventually get paid...

Or one smart enough to insist on getting 1/3d off the top.
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"