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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 04:51:41 +0000
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 16:49:20 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:39:15 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
> "HarryLime" wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:15:50 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 15:23:41 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
>>> "HarryLime"aka "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 0:13:13 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>
>>>>> My reason for opening a new thread would be because you're constantly
>>>>> bringing up my poem in unrelated threads, as per your M.O. which I
>>>>> already noted. (As that contained a few typos), I'll copy it in here:
>>>>>
>>>>> "That's been your regular M.O. since you showed up. Whenever I try to
>>>>> have
>>>>> a conversation with Will, about anything, you jump in and start spewing
>>>>> false claims about something else, in the mistaken belief that I'd only
>>>>> have two options:
>>>>> (1) try to refute your false claims, in which case you've successfully
>>>>> disrupted the conversation; or
>>>>> (2) ignore them (in which some people might think those false claims of
>>>>> yours are actually true)."
>>>>
>>>> When you're having a conversation *about me*, you mean to say, deceitful
>>>> George.
>>>>
>>>> If you make false statements about me on a social media platform
>>>> (libel), you should expect, at very least, a refutation.
>
> I opened this thread to respond to false statements you were making
> about your flame war on Stephan, Will, myself, and others on other
> threads. No one has said it wasn't about you.

It's history, and certain aspects of that decade long flame war haven't
been documented.

>>>>>> To save time, why don't you just bump the old thread up to the top of
>>>>>> the feed?

Not all old threads are available on Nova BBS or JLA Forums.

Thus, new thread is easily the best option.

>>>>>> Rereading it requires much less time on both our parts than repeating
>>>>>> the same points that we'd made at the time.

It takes time but that's Usenet newsgroups for you.

>>>>> HarryLiar, no one is asking you to comment on that thread (or any of the
>>>>> other threads I've opened FTM).

Exactly, you don't need our permission to sit this one out, Pendragon.

If you have nothing to say on the poem,
>>>>> you're more than welcome to sit that one out.

Exactly what I was thinking.

>>>> Since the Subject of this thread is "Re: The Lime sock on Stephan
>>>> Pickering and NAMBLA" (and since "The Lime sock[sic]" is the latest
>>>> childish name you have come up with to call me

After all the childish name-calling you've done over the last decade
you're going to whine about childish name-calling?

Oh, the hypocrisy...

>>> Ever the hypocrite here's Michael Pendragon whining about childish name
>>> calling when he's the one who began that practice here years ago.
>>
>> I'm not complaining about the name-calling

You sure seem to be, Harry.

>> I'm merely pointing out that "The Lime sock[sic]" is George Dance's
>> latest name for me.

We already know that, why bother to waste our time whining about it?

> Get with the program. Precisely because of the whining about your
> petname that Will mentioned, I changed it several days ago.

Pendragon the little green monkey boy?

😏

> No, Lying Michael; this thread was a response to comments that you were
> making about your flaming of Stephan (in another thread for deflection
> purposes, as per your M.O.) You comments were quoted fairly and
> accurately, not "reworded" in the slightest.

High time we documented that dark era of Usenet poetry newsgroups.

> You're welcome to talk about them here; but be warned that going
> forward, if you attempt to deflect by talking about something else, your
> comments will be snipped here, and moved to the appropriate thread where
> necessary.

On that note, we probably need an Allen Ginsberg thread.

>> Mr. Dance was whining

Actually, you're the one whining, Harry/Pendragon.

As I pointed out a couple of paragraphs ago.

> No, Lying Michael. I am "whining" about you (once again) immediately
> trying to change the subject of the discussion to something else. Your
> first comment in this thread was to call me a liar (presumably just for
> preemption). Your second was a misrepresentation of something I'd said
> in the "Psychology of MPP" thread which I'd already dealt with on that
> thread, so you simply repeated it here. Your third comment contained
> both a lie and a faked quote about my poem "My Father's House". (Both
> the latter two have been moved to the "My Father's House" thread Will
> opened, if you're willing to talk about them there.)

Which was actually derailed by Cujo's deflecting.

> It's hardly a one-sided conversation, HarryLiar, when and all my posts
> in it (including the OP) have been replies to you, and you've written
> more posts in it than I have,  Please stop whining about being excluded
> from it, since you obviously are not.

Correct.

> Now you're supporting your earlier lie with fake quotes, which did not
> come from anything I said, but came from you.
>
>>> Tit for Tat is a concept that still seems to go over his head.
>>>
>>> And so it goes.
>>
>> Tit for Tat is a concept that I abandoned somewhere before having
>> attended Kindergarten.  Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for you and
>> George.
>
> No, Lying Michael. You continually rely on the concept. You may not
> believe in govern your own behavior by reciprocal ethics - there's no
> sign that your behavior is governed by any ethics - but you clearly pay
> lip service to T4T to try to justify your behavior.
>
> For instance, every time that you "attack" (troll and flame) someone,
> you try to justify it with a story (sometimes true, sometimes not) that
> they attacked you first. That's been the gist of every one of your
> on-topic statements about the Team Monkey flamewar; that you and your
> team went after Stephan, Will, and myself because they "attacked" you
> first.

And that's almost always a complete lie and misrepresentation by Harry
Lime aka Michael Pendragon.

And so it goes.