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From: Zionazi <marcs12212@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: jewish emancipation also means emancipation from ancient rituals
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 08:03:19 +0000
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 9:19:17 +0000, Frank Berger wrote:

> On 12/12/2024 7:29 AM, Zionazi wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 6:29:37 +0000, Frank Berger wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/10/2024 3:46 AM, Zionazi wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 7:52:37 +0000, Frank Berger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/9/2024 1:39 PM, Zionazi wrote:
>>>>>> Just sayin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have for many reasons Great Respect for Judaism, but obviously it‘s
>>>>>> time for some things not to be practiced anymore — some things  Should
>>>>>> have Never been practiced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> modern jewry emancipated from ancient rituals
>>>>>
>>>>> The only one I KNOW you are referring to is circumcision.  Are there
>>>>> others?
>>>>
>>>> For the time being that‘s the one I‘m Most concerned about.
>>>>
>>>> You already talked to me about this once before; You still had me
>>>> killfiled so I didn‘t bother to answer…
>>>>
>>>> „Imagine how Jews feel about it. Have you ever attended a Bris (ritual
>>>> circumcision)? There is dual "vibe." Pride and Joy at entering a child
>>>> into the fold and tension/pity over the pain that the infant is going to
>>>> go through. The fact is, though, that the baby usually starts crying as
>>>> soon as he is on his back and exposed. When the snip occurs, you often
>>>> can't even hear in increase in intensity of the crying. Not that it
>>>> doesn't hurt. I've the opposite, where the baby is perfectly happy until
>>>> the snip. The baby is given a wine-soaked cloth to suck on which
>>>> districts him and presumably anesthetic. I've never seen a baby cry at a
>>>> bris for money than a minute or so. It doesn't seem as though it bothers
>>>> them any more than a wet or dirty diaper. I don't know if there's
>>>> research on this. I've seen people say why do we do this brutal thing to
>>>> our boys, answer it's because my father did it do me and I'm going to
>>>> get even by doing it to my son. Really. Why do we really do it? Because
>>>> the Torah says so. I don't know liberal (Reform, Reconstructionist) have
>>>> different attitudes toward circumcision and if a significant number of
>>>> them don't practice it. The Orthodox would never imagine not
>>>> circumcising their boys. When the Soviet Union finally started Jews
>>>> emigrate, very few were observant, yet thousands (I can't prove this) of
>>>> grown Jewish men who had not been circumcised (it was illegal in the SU)
>>>> had themselves circumcised when they had the freedom to do so. When I
>>>> lived in Dallas I was close with quite a few Russian Jews and know this
>>>> to be a fact. I certainly would expect and understand an atheist to
>>>> think the practice is cruel and barbaric. Tough.“
>>>>
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.classical.recordings/c/
>>>> yifFdVPqThw/m/YRw53bd4BAAJ
>>>>
>>>> There is quite a Bit wrong with what You’re saying here, how You’re
>>>> addressing this Topic…. Give Me a few minutes to answer
>>>
>>> I am embarrassed at the number of errors and dropped words. The
>>> substance I will stick to.
>>
>> Check your Priorities…
>>
>> I think it‘s Kind of Funny You’re embarrassed by the number of errors,
>> yet Not about gambling with the physical well-being of your sons.
>>
>> You‘re being pedantic…
>
> You have a lot to learn.  Quote me some health statistics regarding
> circumcision.  My understanding is that there are no serious differences
> between cut and uncut.  If you want to oppose circumcision on ethical
> grounds, fine.  But be sure of your medical facts before you start
> telling me I'm gambling with my son's health.

Frank for Christ‘s sake ;D I already provided medical facts… just like
Herman and Raydolf ignored all your arguments on why not to Trust Hamas
numbers, You have ignored what I have written - for example about
botched circumcisions…

Read what I don’t Wrote and linked to carefully…

I am just repeating the obvious here:

Every Surgical procedure provides a certain risk — no matter if you have
to cut out a Tumor or cut Off the foreskin. The thing with
‚circumcision‘ - unless Done for medical reasons - is that it’s
completely unnecessary…

From a Medical Perspective you are Causing physical and psychological
harm. You don’t need to be a genius or doctor to understand this…

Furthermore its not your right to make this decision for Your Child —
This can sow Distrust between the Child and the caregiver… it’s the Body
of Your Child, You can change religions, but this you can’t change!

Frank answer This question: don‘t you think that even 1 botched
‚circumcision‘ (aside from all the other Arguments against this; such as
self-determination — don’t you always like to Talk about Jewish Right to
Self-determination btw? Well then let them.) is enough to end This
practice once and for all? I posted an article written by a Jew who
suffers extremly from a botched circumcision - which you have obviously
ignored… is he just considered collateral damage in an Attempt to
appease god?!