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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: The set of necessary FISONs Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:07:28 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <d6a67ce0fcb32e7b71288f9e16520308739fdc09@i2pn2.org> References: <vmo1bs$1rnl$1@dont-email.me> <27377646-137a-4f8f-a7bb-a75707b2da96@att.net> <vn2gcf$2ouuo$2@dont-email.me> <d90c478d-6806-4ffe-83be-a5d7674bb5e3@att.net> <b82a0915-400a-4f77-9309-44eef432e9f4@att.net> <vn50eo$3kgi6$2@dont-email.me> <4d349964-211f-42f1-936f-81c22ae54cb5@att.net> <vn7vns$ra97$2@dont-email.me> <e3f89d8c-d214-453a-91f4-9023e744fed2@att.net> <vna72s$1ng1k$2@dont-email.me> <6e0c8ab2-402a-43a5-a348-0c727eae6a2e@att.net> <vnat4s$1s6ha$4@dont-email.me> <e43b1c65-4424-4e0c-9b2e-65e0e463815b@att.net> <vnconr$29v5v$1@dont-email.me> <87e2e677c7802c9c17df6063f340cb5857d5700b@i2pn2.org> <vnd4h8$2c0st$1@dont-email.me> <c50fde56e7e0c4cf4842d4944ea3d1917c75eb41@i2pn2.org> <vnfftp$2rv3t$1@dont-email.me> <680d4249c9bf1504231a53732ac5096184261495@i2pn2.org> <vngumj$34ss1$6@dont-email.me> <cd065ba19fec984c56ff3e76f230ff489da351a5@i2pn2.org> <vnifll$3gitr$1@dont-email.me> <f5a14ac6e51fafb07fe14019f9a7c53fa7dffdd5@i2pn2.org> <vnl53p$3ae7$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 14:07:28 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2148412"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3052 Lines: 29 Am Sat, 01 Feb 2025 13:46:50 +0100 schrieb WM: > On 31.01.2025 18:51, joes wrote: >> Am Fri, 31 Jan 2025 13:28:35 +0100 schrieb WM: > >>> then all can be discarded, >> No, only finitely consecutive ones. > Induction concerns all natural numbers n as well as all A(n). ω, corresponding to „all”, is not natural. >>>>> But all F(n) can be shown to be completely useless because >>>>> infinitely many natnumbers are missing. >>>> Again: every single one, or even an arbitrary finite number. >>>> If you have inf. many segments, you obviously have inf. many numbers. >>> All finite natural numbers as well as all FISONs obey the Peano >>> axioms. >> All naturals are finite. FISONs are not naturals but sets and can’t be >> added together. > FISONs represent ordinals. There is no FISON for ω (duh). >>> Removing all leaves nothing, in particular no sufficient set for >>> U(F(n)) = ℕ. >> It is obvious that N is not empty. > But the set claimed to have the union ℕ gets empty without changing its > union. Wrong. Finite sets of FISONs do not result in N. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.