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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Ove Interest?
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 22:42:47 +0700
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 06:48:01 -0500, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/17/2025 9:32 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:15:26 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2/17/2025 9:39 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 2/16/2025 9:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/16/2025 8:34 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 15:17:39 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 14:48:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know you love guns, but what I've posted are the facts. You
>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>> able to love guns while understanding that their value is highly
>>>>>>>> overrated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The data is clear that their assumption is false. The people with
>>>>>>> guns in the house are _more_ likely to suffer serious violence, and
>>>>>>> that's true no matter where they live."  ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that if you were to study all cases of someone murdering
>>>>>> another person in the same household you will find many cases where a
>>>>>> gun was used. However that doesn't mean that it is the gun that is at
>>>>>> fault.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not say "the gun was at fault." I said those in houses with guns
>>>>> are more likely to suffer serious violence than those in houses
>>>>> without guns, no matter where they live. I don't blame the gun. I
>>>>> blame the people owning and/or using the gun. But nevertheless, those
>>>>> who got the gun "for protection" tend to come out worse.
>>>>>
>>>>>> In short, the statement that a gun in the house is dangerious is just
>>>>>> what the "Anti Gunners" want to hear and so they repeat it over and
>>>>>> over and over.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, John, if you were a researcher, what data would you use to answer
>>>>> this question:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are people living in a house with a gun safer or more at more danger
>>>>> than people living in a house with no gun?
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember, to a researcher, tales of your childhood don't count as
>>>>> research. Neither do your strongly held opinions. You need good data.
>>>>>
>>>>> (I suspect you'll evade answering my question.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, since there are many times more successful firearm defense
>>>> incidents than firearm homicides I'd say your conclusion is unclear at
>>>> best.
>>>
>>> First, your assertion is almost certainly wrong.  See
>>> https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/
>>>
>>> Second, it doesn't address the question at hand. Again, what researchers
>>> have found is not people in gun households getting shot by home
>>> invaders. Instead, they find its FAR more common that one person in a
>>> gun household is shot by another person living in the same house.
>>>
>>> I've known two women who were beaten and threatened with death by their
>>> husbands, before their divorces. Both were sure that if the relationship
>>> continued, they would have been killed. The most likely tool would have
>>> been the guy's gun.
>> 
>> One can only gaze with amazement at your experiences. I've lived in a
>> six States, served in the A.F. for 20 years and lived in 5 foreign
>> countries and I've never known anyone who beat their partner, male or
>> female. Although I or my wife did know a few couples where the wife
>> "cheated" on the husband and might have been thought to deserve it.
>> 
>> 
>
>Since John has never seen a man abuse his wife, wife abuse does not exist.

Nope. I'm sure that they do exist. I merely indicated that, at least
in my experience, they are not common. 

-- 
Cheers,

John B.