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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: The Shapiro's experiment HOAX. A 1968 TIME article. Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 04:19:14 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <d8ab4edd3d382bee2cb7160521e834d0@www.novabbs.com> References: <db18709b6ba689b9c07245000ff1b094@www.novabbs.com> <53a754e33f8216df2e7882aa63ee8391@www.novabbs.com> <511c68d28f959e6fc1f6e64452fd415d@www.novabbs.com> <6718b186$0$532$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <be287e10cd90f0cbfd70c711873fcea4@www.novabbs.com> <2cbcea74010d65879416d2d1aed4a84b@www.novabbs.com> <ab86444ec806e48f140fd4f40ae3d7f1@www.novabbs.com> <a565a043054152d727f9dbbdd131cddd@www.novabbs.com> <b16549f31a5f9627f2b4a922ea11f872@www.novabbs.com> <509ee3cdf4e3f46de144f88c115fce2b@www.novabbs.com> <9d4409794456d76d2340a3e0e2061e8c@www.novabbs.com> <7766caa54c664f912eb2f5673ab3bc48@www.novabbs.com> <d5ff3d75fcbd66ed75930e3b351bc885@www.novabbs.com> <529fe67714c7360fc366b3cbef639d46@www.novabbs.com> <cdee16fae928d646a25c04d288304760@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3698281"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="OjDMvaaXMeeN/7kNOPQl+dWI+zbnIp3mGAHMVhZ2e/A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: 26080b4f8b9f153eb24ebbc1b47c4c36ee247939 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$i0SkCJ5iwzxrv7qlsmPCeu5OD1ckZPOnK5naIyfiHb0UZrCJ8gpLe X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 4703 Lines: 59 On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 2:49:03 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: > Mr. Hertz: But Gauss did not use the speed c for gravity, did he? Gauss, Poisson, Laplace, Lagrange, von Soldner, Le Verrier and so many others didn't focused on the speed of gravity (c or infinite). They accepted Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation but skipped the concept of forces, with the associated instantaneous action at a distance. Such concept, present in Newton's original work published on Principia, was accepted by many and questioned by many others as well. Classic physics genius, decades after Newton, started to think about fields of gravity, which permeated 3D space. With this concept, gravity was always present everywhere, but following Newton's Principia. New mathematics were needed to replace the effects of Newtonian forces. The ideas of Gauss law of gravitation followed and respected Newton, but started to introduce geometrical concepts quite revolutionary, like 3D gravitational torus, in a way that challenged Euclidean geometry by introducing new mathematical tools. Have in mind that Riemann was a DISCIPLE of Gauss, who encouraged him to explore N-dimensional space in terms of analytic differential geometry. Years after Riemann's premature death, his work was finally published. The challenge to develop new mathematical tools was picked up by several MATHEMATICIANS in the next 45 years, bringing people like Beltrami (1835–1900), Ricci (1853–1925), Christoffel (1829–1900), Klein (1849–1925), Bianchi (1856–1928), Levi-Civita (1873–1941) to develop TENSORS as tools to describe N-Dimensional spaces. Levi-Civita was able to provide a geometric interpretation of curvature effects in GROSSMAN (not Einstein) theory by the use of parallel displacement of vectors (the famous connectors in tensor theory). NOTICE HOW THE CONCEPT OF GRAVITATIONAL FIELDS SLOWLY MIGRATED TO GEOMETRICAL INTERPRETATION OF N-DIMENSIONAL GEOMETRY IN THE PERIOD POST-RIEMANN. The passage of 4-D spaces to 4-D spacetime came by the hand of Grossman, but it's not Riemannian geometry, which only dealt with SPACE. The replacement of the 4th. dimension by time in Levi-Civita final work was made by Marcel Grossman in 1913. As this work introduced time as a fourth dimension, with the limit of c speed, such body of work IS CALLED PSEUDO-RIEMANNIAN GEOMETRY, and does not make ANY PHYSICAL SENSE, EVEN TODAY. That's how relativists RUINED a pure geometrical theory, born with Riemann, deforming it into something that is A MATHEMATICAL DISGRACE. Riemann, if he could have come back to life, would die again a thousand times due to the heretic deformation of his pure N-Dimensional geometry. If you analyze the timeline between 1800 and 1913, you could appreciate the passage of gravity with infinite speed to gravity limited to c speed. And, in this case, the absolute pioneer was Gerber (1898) with his paper explaining Mercury's perihelion advance if gravity moves at c speed.