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Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 08:59:03 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <d9f833c4df2347c94c39bc4121bb9cc2094ab001.camel@gmail.com> References: <1049cr4$10io1$1@dont-email.me> <104fvvp$2qvbi$1@dont-email.me> <104gjo8$2uc68$3@dont-email.me> <104ii2r$3egqg$1@dont-email.me> <104j9bp$3jrpl$3@dont-email.me> <104l99t$52fb$1@dont-email.me> <104lnfv$7l4q$3@dont-email.me> <104nvim$pg20$1@dont-email.me> <104ohhs$t0u4$2@dont-email.me> <552bda60815dad8175c54eab402e0acc53101155@i2pn2.org> <104q24q$1ajbp$1@dont-email.me> <104q3vi$1atq6$1@dont-email.me> <104q4ni$1b4t7$1@dont-email.me> <104q6gf$1bcq0$1@dont-email.me> <f2cbb68fe579b5dc2438377454298861eaef0577@i2pn2.org> <1053l0g$3irf7$1@dont-email.me> <37294733af66d0d8acba8f954e48e497650788ce@i2pn2.org> <1054ged$3s0eq$1@dont-email.me> <d6e818fc3e976909598891fe7c785b16634a544e@i2pn2.org> <1055i73$2t13$3@dont-email.me> <1056a57$8j2u$1@dont-email.me> <1056cam$8lvo$1@dont-email.me> <1056hhq$a36q$1@dont-email.me> <1056ojc$bgl7$1@dont-email.me> <1056p63$a36q$2@dont-email.me> <1056pls$bniv$1@dont-email.me> <1056s1u$a36q$3@dont-email.me> <1056sc4$c5qd$1@dont-email.me> <1056sqi$a36q$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 02:59:04 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="46dce70ce57f862efe41d66f19ee6982"; logging-data="392485"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18ecmazISM4FeTfvb6zHHzc" User-Agent: Evolution 3.56.2 (3.56.2-1.fc42) Cancel-Lock: sha1:oWpYeqW0ooY1uWc8+FAsRkCh0LM= In-Reply-To: <1056sqi$a36q$4@dont-email.me> On Tue, 2025-07-15 at 18:47 -0600, Andr=C3=A9 G. Isaak wrote: > On 2025-07-15 18:39, olcott wrote: > > On 7/15/2025 7:34 PM, Andr=C3=A9 G. Isaak wrote: > > > On 2025-07-15 17:53, olcott wrote: > > > > On 7/15/2025 6:45 PM, Andr=C3=A9 G. Isaak wrote: > > > > > On 2025-07-15 17:35, olcott wrote: > > >=20 > > > > > > You still make the same mistake with the implication operator. > > > > > > That has always been the wrong operator for PROVES. > > > > >=20 > > > > > You're being an idiot. The principle of explosion can be stated= =20 > > > > > either in terms of implication or proof. I prefer implication. I'= m=20 > > > > > not mistaking one symbol for another. I'm saying exactly what I= =20 > > > > > intend to say. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Andr=C3=A9 > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Yet implication is not even truth preserving. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > You seem to be using some private definition of 'truth preserving'.= =20 > > > Did you get that one from claude.ai as well? > > >=20 > > > Andr=C3=A9 > > >=20 > >=20 > > the characteristic of an argument where, > > if the premises are true, the conclusion > > must also be true. > >=20 > > When the antecedent is false the consequent > > can be true with the "=E2=86=92" operator. >=20 > And how would that make it non-truth preserving? >=20 > You're very confused. Since you seem to trust/overrely on wikipedia, you= =20 > can check against the following: >=20 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_function#Algebraic_properties >=20 > Andr=C3=A9 >=20 What olcott quotes has no real meaning (not what average people reads). olcott cannot understand the difference of logic-IF and logical-AND. He can copy, quote and good at it. But as always, he just say it, his=C2=A0 brain is fried, he does not understand what they mean.