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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 19:24:08 +0000
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On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 19:16:44 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 17:40:34 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 17:25:39 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 17:01:28 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:54:30 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 16:49:22 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 14:27:25 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 14:08:38 +0000, Will-Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Zod wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 9:40:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I Met A Girl
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I met a girl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By Will Donkey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She was a little freckled girl
>>>>>>>>>> from out of
>>>>>>>>>> my high school past.
>>>>>>>>>> At this point I kissed her
>>>>>>>>>> and put my finger to her hole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edited for effect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Real piece of work, that Donkey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I've wondered if I should censor that link for many years and in
>>>>>> the end decided to keep it as I'd written it 43 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think, in fact, you've already flamed me about this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have, and shall continue to whenever I stumble across it.
>>>>>
>>>>> A poem about fingering a high school girl, is reprehensible regardless
>>>>> of whether you set it in a dream.
>>
>> She wasn't in high school, she was from my high school past.
>>
>> The year was 1982, five years after my time at Carver High School.
>
> As per usual in a Will Donkey poem, what you intended to say, and what
> you actually wrote are two very different things.
>
> Nor does the date of the composition (or of the alleged dream) have any
> bearing on the content.
>
> The girl didn't come to you (in your dream) from California; she came to
> you "from out of... high school."
>
> Also, since you hadn't seen her in approximately 5 years, it is unlikely
> that your subconscious would have aged her in your dream.  She would
> have looked like she did when you last saw her -- five years earlier
> when you were in school.
>
>>>> You missed the context, the girl wasn't in high school when the actual
>>>> you described happened.
>>>>
>>>> She was "out of my high school past" almost a decade before the poem was
>>>> written which would make us both in our twenties on May 8 1982.
>>>
>>> You don't understand how to express yourself clearly
>>
>> In your opinion.
>
> The English language, when used correctly, is not a matter of opinion,
> Donkey.
>
>> The details are easily understood.
>
> Obviously not.
>
> Your poem says that you dreamt about a girl who you recognized (i.e.,
> she looked the same), but whose name you couldn't remember (even after
> she told it to you twice).  You further say that this girl came to you
> from out of the past, when you had both attended the same high school.
>
> This makes it clear that she was still 16 or 17 in your dream.
>
> What you meant to say was that you dreamed about a girl who you had
> known (barely) in high school, who had spent the last five years living
> in California.
>
> Unfortunately, that is not what you actually wrote.
>
> As I've attempted to explain to you countless times in the past, if
> you're going to be a poet, you first have to gain a working knowledge of
> (at least) high school level English.
>
> Your compositional skills are roughly equivalent to those of a 4th
> grader when writing posts, and those of a 4th grader who took the short
> bus to and school when composing poetry.
>
> I would urge you to read "Language in Thought and Action," by Samuel
> Ichiye Hayakawa... only your reading comprehension level is so poor that
> you wouldn't understand it.  You would do better to enroll in a free,
> online Basic English course, and slowly work your way up to it.
>
>>> When yoy say that someone is "from out of my high school past," the
>>> implication is that she stepped out of the past.  When someone steps out
>>> of your past, they are at the same age they had been in the year that
>>> they stepped out of.
>>
>> No, she was a person I know in high school who reappeared in 1982, five
>> years after High school.
>
> Then you should have said that in your poem.
>
>
>>> You should have said that you dreamed you met someone from your past.
>>
>> The poem states:
>>
>> "It was in a dream, we knew each other instantly."
>
> No, Donkey.  The operative phrase here is not that it happened "in a
> dream."  It's one of whether she a) came to you from out of your past,
> or b) reappeared in 1982, five years after she'd graduated.
>
>
>>> But even if she was in her twenties in your dream, your poem is still
>>> offensive to the nth degree.
>>
>> It was explicit, agreed.
>
> It isn't offensive because it's explicit, Donkey. Okay, it is offensive
> to Moral Majority types, but that is not what I was referring to.
>
>>
>>> It is demeaning to women, objectifying
>>> them as nothing more than a "hole" to stick your finger (or your willie)
>>
>> No, that's not true, it was just some sex.
>
> When you refer to "just some (casual) sex" as putting your "finger to
> her hole," you are treating her as if she were an inanimate object.  She
> is not a person to you -- she is a "hole."
>
> You weren't even attracted to her personality, as you say she sounded
> "spacey."  Worse yet, you couldn't bother to remember her name in spite
> of the fact that she'd told it to you twice.
>
> To you, she wasn't a person with a valid personality or a name... she
> was a just another "hole."
>
>>
>> Grown ups in 1982 had sex, fucked, all that sort of thing.
>
> I graduated high school in 1982, Donkey.  I didn't just walk up to a
> girl a hadn't seen in 5 years and proceed to stick my finger in her
> vagina.  I know you claim they do things differently in "the deep South"
> (cue the dueling banjoes), but that sounds like groping/sexual assault.
>
>
>>
>>> in.  It further implies that you find nothing wrong with groping, and
>>> digitally penetrating, a woman you've just met.
>>
>> We'd known each other about a decade at that time.
>
> Obviously not very well, since you couldn't remember her name.
>
>
>>> The fact that you would post this in your 60s, only shows how
>>> insensitive and misogynistic you've remained over the years.
>>
>> The poem was written on May 8th 1982 and probably isn't something I'd
>> write in 2025.
>
> Why not?  Your writing certainly hasn't evolved any.  If anything, it's
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