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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: what's a mainframe, was is Vax addressing sane today Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 21:15:29 +0000 Organization: Rocksolid Light Message-ID: <dc59c3632445bc60992149d5a6a7c485@www.novabbs.org> References: <vbd6b9$g147$1@dont-email.me> <2024Sep10.183205@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vbqlo9$37h9g$3@dont-email.me> <2024Sep11.113204@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <vbsg1v$1lt4$1@gal.iecc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1707426"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="65wTazMNTleAJDh/pRqmKE7ADni/0wesT78+pyiDW8A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$moIchJzSkz1MLIethgk8QOkMLR0/iL6sod9YktyAeUXYSIeHx.Sc. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: ac58ceb75ea22753186dae54d967fed894c3dce8 Bytes: 2086 Lines: 23 On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 16:21:19 +0000, John Levine wrote: > According to Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>: >>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > > The 360/91 was also intended to be the fastest possible computer, which > again it sort of > was, late and over budget. One thing that STRETCH and the /91 shared was > that they were > extremely complicated. STRETCH had variable sized bytes and and > addressing modes that I > never entirely figured out. The /91 had an instruction queue with loop > mode and out of > order operations and register renaming and imprecise interrupts. When > the CDC 6600 came > out, a much simpler design from a tiny company that was nonetheless > faster than the /91, > they knew they had a problem. The /95 and /195 were minor upgrades of > the /91 but that was > the end of their supercomputer efforts. You forgot to mention /91 had a 60ns clock while 6600 had a 100 ns clock. Here was a case where parallelism beat out pipelining.