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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Ove Interest?
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 07:16:06 -0500
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 09:32:15 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:15:26 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/17/2025 9:39 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2025 9:50 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/16/2025 8:34 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 15:17:39 -0500, Catrike Ryder
>>>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 14:48:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know you love guns, but what I've posted are the facts. You 
>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>> able to love guns while understanding that their value is highly 
>>>>>>> overrated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The data is clear that their assumption is false. The people with
>>>>>> guns in the house are _more_ likely to suffer serious violence, and
>>>>>> that's true no matter where they live."  ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that if you were to study all cases of someone murdering
>>>>> another person in the same household you will find many cases where a
>>>>> gun was used. However that doesn't mean that it is the gun that is at
>>>>> fault. 
>>>>
>>>> I did not say "the gun was at fault." I said those in houses with guns 
>>>> are more likely to suffer serious violence than those in houses 
>>>> without guns, no matter where they live. I don't blame the gun. I 
>>>> blame the people owning and/or using the gun. But nevertheless, those 
>>>> who got the gun "for protection" tend to come out worse.
>>>>
>>>>> In short, the statement that a gun in the house is dangerious is just
>>>>> what the "Anti Gunners" want to hear and so they repeat it over and
>>>>> over and over.
>>>>
>>>> OK, John, if you were a researcher, what data would you use to answer 
>>>> this question:
>>>>
>>>> Are people living in a house with a gun safer or more at more danger 
>>>> than people living in a house with no gun?
>>>>
>>>> Remember, to a researcher, tales of your childhood don't count as 
>>>> research. Neither do your strongly held opinions. You need good data.
>>>>
>>>> (I suspect you'll evade answering my question.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Well, since there are many times more successful firearm defense 
>>> incidents than firearm homicides I'd say your conclusion is unclear at 
>>> best.
>>
>>First, your assertion is almost certainly wrong.  See 
>>https://www.americanprogress.org/article/debunking-the-guns-make-us-safer-myth/
>>
>>Second, it doesn't address the question at hand. Again, what researchers 
>>have found is not people in gun households getting shot by home 
>>invaders. Instead, they find its FAR more common that one person in a 
>>gun household is shot by another person living in the same house.
>>
>>I've known two women who were beaten and threatened with death by their 
>>husbands, before their divorces. Both were sure that if the relationship 
>>continued, they would have been killed. The most likely tool would have 
>>been the guy's gun.
>
>One can only gaze with amazement at your experiences. I've lived in a
>six States, served in the A.F. for 20 years and lived in 5 foreign
>countries and I've never known anyone who beat their partner, male or
>female. Although I or my wife did know a few couples where the wife
>"cheated" on the husband and might have been thought to deserve it.

Krygowski berates other people's personal anecdotes but then quickly
conjures up one of his own.

--
C'est bon
Soloman