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On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:38:48 +0000, rhertz wrote:
>
>
> The other imbecile wrote that BOTH Cs clocks are locally running at
> 10,230,000.000000 Hz. But THIS IS NOT WHAT RELATIVISTS CLAIM.

Yes, it is.  Rather, that's what they were running at before the
synthesizer was activated:

"The atomic clock was first operated for about 20 days to measure its
clock rate before turning on the synthesizer. The frequency measured
during that interval was +442.5 parts in 10^12 faster than clocks on
the ground"

> They claim that the onboard TCXO master clock was tuned to
> 10,229,999.995430 Hz, with a difference of 0.00457 Hz wrt the
> Earth'c clock.

This was AFTER the approximately 20 days that the clock rate was not
adjusted with the synthesizer, as quoted above.  You seem to have a
reading comprehension problem.

> Clock on Earth station: accumulates 883,872,000,000 pulses in 86400 sec
> (1 day).
>
> Clock on GPS SV: accumulates 883,871,999,605 pulses in 86400 sec (1
> day).

You're still not comprehending the experiment.  You are conflating two
different parts of the experiment.

The 20+ days were measured by clocks on the ground.  Then the clock in
orbit was interrogated and found to have counted more pulses than the
one on the ground, not fewer as you continue to falsely assert.

AFTER the synthesizer was switched in, the clocks were in sync.  This
was because the frequency was slightly reduced to 10.23- MHz so the
clock in orbit read the same as measured on the ground.

> The difference digital counters would register is of 395 pulses which,
> with a
> period of 97.7517106549365 ns gives a daily difference of
> -38.5970696442754 us, which is what relativists claim as the "error"
> between both clocks.

All of your calculations are meaningless.  You keep babbling about
86400 seconds, which one week, but the experiment was about 3 weeks
long before the synthesizer was switched in.

> The STUPID CLAIM OF RELATIVISTS is that the frequency L1 (1575.42 Mhz),
> which is GENERATED BY MULTIPLYING THE MASTER FREQUENCY OF 10.23 Mhz by
> EXACTLY 154 is what ALLOWS THAT SUCH CARRIER REACHES EARTH AS IF IT WAS
> GENERATED BY THE ONBOARD Cs CLOCK WORKING AT 10,229,999.995430 Hz,
> creating an L1 carrier at the GPS SV of 1,575,419,999.29622 Hz.

As Paul said, you are spouting nonsense.  The carrier has nothing to do
with the difference in clock rates.  He also pointed out that Doppler
shift would swamp out the tiny GR error.

> When that GPS carrier reaches Earth, it has been shifted (by the
> mathemagics of relativity) to EXACTLY 1,575,412 Hz = 10,230,000 Hz x
> 154.
>
>
> Dou you understood what I wrote above, imbecile?

I understand that only an imbecile could have written what you wrote.

> Relativists CLAIM FOR 50 YEARS that when they TURNED ON the correction
> on the onboard master TCXO, lowering the frequency by 0.00457 Hz, they
> COMPENSATED RELATIVISTIC EFFECTS ON THE ORBITING CS clock and associated
> higher frequencies.

"Try being informed instead of just opinionated." -- Anon.

> And that IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE, HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN NOR IN THE '70s
> NEITHER IN THE LAST 50 YEARS, BECAUSE IT'S ABSOLUTELY DECEIVING, A
> FUCKING LIE.

The only lies being told here are by Richard Hertz.

> If it was TRUE, ask them to publicly show the downloaded DIGITAL COUNT
> OF PULSES of the orbiting TCXO, to fact-check with the associated count
> of the clock at the Earth station.

Only a demented paranoid would make such a demand.

> Now, asshole (sorry for the profanity), PROVE ME WRONG.

The birds sent up now go up with the clock frequency offset by the
amount predicted by relativity built in, so you have the proof, you
just refuse to believe scientists when they assert it.  That's because
you have a mental illness called paranoia.