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From: "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design
Subject: Re: energy in UK
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 23:59:09 +0200
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On 2025-04-18 23:50, Don Y wrote:
> On 4/18/2025 5:39 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-04-18 02:45, Don Y wrote:
>>> On 4/17/2025 5:26 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-17 23:11, Don Y wrote:
>>>>> On 4/17/2025 1:44 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> Probably all of Spain has smart meters now. But the reason was, 
>>>>>> AFAIK, that here the contract limits the current you can draw. For 
>>>>>> instance, a contract can say that you can draw 15A (3450W). The 
>>>>>> meter has the ability to switch off when you try to draw 16A for a 
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow!  Now THAT is interesting.  Here, the size of your service 
>>>>> (ampacity)
>>>>> effectively determines what you can use -- that, and your wallet.
>>>>
>>>> I think that is an Spanish only feature.
>>>>
>>>> They charge us for the watts we actually take, and also a fixed 
>>>> monthly amount for the size of the pipe. Meaning, if we contract for 
>>>> a maximum of 15A, we pay for that, €/month. If we contract 30A, we 
>>>> pay double fixed amount per month. And the smart meter controls that 
>>>> we don't contract 20 and take 21.
>>>>
>>>> So people try to contract the minimum they actually need.
>>>
>>> There would also be an incentive for you to do your own load 
>>> balancing as
>>> you are effectively being charged based on peak demand (even if you 
>>> don't
>>> USE it).  Assuming, of course, that the fixed cost is "significant" and
>>> not just a token charge.
>>
>> Oh, it is indeed significant, can be higher than actual usage.
> 
> This is really silly.  If they wanted to discourage you from consuming,
> then they should give you an incentive to use less to save more; not
> ding you as if you WERE using all that!

Absolutely.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.