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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Oscillators in LTspice Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:46:50 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 16 Message-ID: <dke5hjl05chohdt58tbiarkrd9j5qk0bs5@4ax.com> References: <veu2ki$3cmo3$1@dont-email.me> <v255hjtf7jcnlj2h0hm27pkjj3rjj31121@4ax.com> <1r1n4a4.7xtcfutythy8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:45:35 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="13307d2269846c29e1f83785c6071616"; logging-data="3629211"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19u77plVVdxr27Wj9SWMqR0" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:b28Y1IKhkVm47mA4sZzCQHEE1lI= Bytes: 1526 On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 20:17:19 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote: >john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: > >[...] > >> Actually, the classic astable mv usually has a genuine hangup state, >> both transistors saturated. > >Return the base resistors to the collectors of their respective >transistors instead of the +ve rail. That will prevent them from >sarurating and will ensure reliable starting. Right. It makes the transistors go linear if it's not oscillating.