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On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 14:19:59 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>On 2025-04-12 11:29 PM, Robin Miller wrote:
>> Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> 
>>> I despise Khalil. He's espousing anti-Western and anti-Israeli values and
>>> is acting, effectively, as a spokesman for Hamas, It's a
>>> misrepresentation to call him "pro Palestinian" as taking the Hamas side
>>> is anti-Palestinian.
>> 
>> 
>> These are all lies. Khalil's position is to oppose Israel's genocide in 
>> Gaza, which is the only moral position to take. Numerous Jewish groups 
>> have taken the same position; Jewish groups have often led campus 
>> protests. Anyone who supports Israel in its genocide is siding with 
>> ideological descendants of Nazis.

If that is the case then it should be easy enough to prove. Either
he's been out there supporting Hamas in public or he hasn't. 

>> 
>If Hamas had taken the honourable - and legally required - approach to 
>war, none of this "genocide" would have happened. They would have put 
>their fighters in uniform and fought away from civilian areas instead of 
>deliberately hiding among the civilian population and civilian 
>infrastructure. But they didn't.

They would have lost on the first day because Israel is just that much
better armed and trained. It's why they are hiding among the civilian
population in the hopes that will help protect them. It shows that
they are willing to sacrifice their fellow Palestinians in order to
keep themselves safe. 

That doesn't support their own attack on Israel civilians. That takes
them from soldiers fighting a war to terrorists who deserve what ever
they get. Not that the Palestinians they hide amongst are deserving of
suffering with Hamas. 
>If Hamas cared about the citizens they represent, they would have let 
>them shelter in the extensive tunnel network that they built under Gaza, 
>rather than forbidding them to do so because the tunnels were reserved 
>for fighters and rockets. But they didn't.

That would have been better but it likely would have just led to
Israel using bunker busting type bombs to get at the people in the
tunnels. 

>If Hamas wanted to end the suffering and death, they would have given up 
>the hostages months ago and laid down their arms. But they didn't.

I wouldn't expect them to put down their arms so long as Israel is
treating the Palestinians as they are. That said I don't see the point
in holding on to the hostages. It doesn't give them the sort of
leverage they hoped for and just provides Netenyahoo (yeah, I know it
isn't his name) cover for doing what he and his far right supporters
want. 

>If Hamas had a shred of honesty, they would have ensured that the health 
>ministry in Gaza - which is run by Hamas - wouldn't be exaggerated and 
>would distinguish between dead fighters and dead civilians. But they 
>didn't.

Probably because they think that strengthens their position. No idea
if it helps or not but at least I can see why they would do that. Also
why would you give your enemy information on how effective their
attacks have been. That's never been a good idea.


>> The government's position that a protestor at a university "would have 
>> potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United 
>> States" is preposterous on its face. Rubio's statement contained no 
>> evidence for his assertion.
>> 
>> More generally, the contention that people legally in the US can be 
>> thrown out of the country--or legally harmed in any way--for taking a 
>> political position different from that of the government effectively 
>> nullifies the First Amendment.
>> 
>Those two paragraphs are essentially what Adam are saying.

>
>> The more extreme that Israel becomes, the more extreme becomes the 
>> repression by governments allied to Israel--and the fanaticism of 
>> Israel's supporters.
>> 
>> Zionism is a genocidal political philosophy that must be eradicated.
>> 
>
>BTR1701 responded to that point already and I have nothing to add to his 
>response.
>
>Mahmoud Khalil has gone beyond just speech, as Douglas Murray points out 
>in this video:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCWjWAiAIG4 [8 minutes]
>
>(Be patient, he gets there....)