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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: BOLO pervert cyclist Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 08:52:10 +0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 129 Message-ID: <dot1ej91chi45ld3v5dmgen76kahr481s8@4ax.com> References: <vblcmn$23nv7$8@dont-email.me> <02jtdj968o694vnh6ah51b0tvmdn82d2na@4ax.com> <1nEDO.435880$VK2e.312511@fx01.ams4> <mb6udj58hnhjie04rjfg532eu4vkd48jo3@4ax.com> <vbnkov$2hi4h$2@dont-email.me> <b3pudj93app3turcp5tod6kg5ue8ra5glq@4ax.com> <vbo8hr$2nteo$3@dont-email.me> <qgtvdjl0r6m2kvf5nol46mrhii7qq0t2qt@4ax.com> <VAUDO.581098$EVn.179563@fx04.ams4> <h280ej9ft0dsbtso1q57dlvk08coqmdeqi@4ax.com> <vbpa4k$2tn8p$1@dont-email.me> <mmp0ejljdsgi6frsuuem6m2ie4ov8udfiq@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 03:52:14 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c5330c69cecfde4c43f031f3ddb4f0a1"; logging-data="3565430"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+fq16pwpwpms2W44GvFZTB35VQrkNAxwo=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.10.32.1212 Cancel-Lock: sha1:igauIkXUUf6/a9vOTmUQfKxmmx8= Bytes: 7128 On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:05:53 -0400, Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 13:21:56 +0200, Rolf Mantel ><news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote: > >>Am 10.09.2024 um 12:54 schrieb Catrike Ryder: >>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 09:47:33 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:48:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/9/2024 5:11 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2024 16:11:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 9/9/2024 11:57 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I said, we drive over a hundred miles. Park where there ae no >>>>>>>>> chargers or gas stations, then drive home, knowing that finding a gas >>>>>>>>> station is not going to be a problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course, I've done that many times with this EV. And finding a gas >>>>>>>> station is even less of a problem for me - because I don't use them any >>>>>>>> more! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a car with a 250 Mile range? >>>>>> >>>>>> 250 nominal. Given things like Google Maps, I can be quite sure of the >>>>>> distance I'll be traveling. >>>>> >>>>> Google maps don't make your trips any shorter. >>>>> >>>>> With Google Maps, if I'm going somewhere in particular, I generally >>>>> look for less time on the road, rather than less miles, and I don't >>>>> need to be sure of the distance. Oft times, we just go for a ride, >>>>> stop for a meal at some down home, mom and pop restaurant, and maybe >>>>> take a walk along a strip of seashore, or on a path through a wooded >>>>> park. >>>>> >>>>> On our drive back and forth to Colorado a few years ago, we got >>>>> enthralled with the Ozarks, and wasted several hours driving around >>>>> and up and down on narrow windy two lane roads. You talk about >>>>> experiencing new vistas on your bicycle, but you can't really see very >>>>> much while traveling on a bicycle. It's nice to have a vehicle that >>>>> you don't have to concern yourself with where there is going to be >>>>> some charging stations. Gas stations are almost always right around >>>>> the corner or at the next exit, and almost always with an open lane. >>>>> >>>>>> And for longer trips I charge to 100%, which >>>>>> has given me a predicted range as high as 294 miles in decent weather. >>>>> >>>>> Oh yes, I'll bet an EV presents special problems in the winter. A >>>>> heavier car can be a good thing for going through snow, but a >>>>> hindrance on ice and packed snow, and using the defroster and heater >>>>> are of no concern. >>>>> >>>> Unless you have a 1st generation Nissan leaf it’s not an issue, EV range >>>> will drop in cold weather but not massively so don’t believe click bate >>>> articles! >>> >>> I'm pretty sure the batteries don't work as well, and then there's the >>> heater. You can drive without the air conditioner, even in Florida. I >>> like the windows open unless I'm driving over 40 MPH. I suppose one >>> can drive in 15 degree weather without the heater on, but I wouldn't >>> wan to do it. >> >>The heater /air conditioner has a big impact on the first 10 miles to >>bring the car to a meaningful temperature. On a 300 mile trip at 95F >>with air conditioner, battery consumption is very similar to the same >>30o mile trip as 70F without air conditioner. >> >>>>> Stop and go traffic can be a >>>>> bother, but it never makes me worry about running out of gas. An >>>>> accident ahead on a limited access highway that stops or slows things >>>>> down to a crawl can be much more than a bother, but again, it's quick >>>>> and easy to keep the tank full enough for that not to be an issue. >>>> >>>> Stop go traffic or busy traffic a EV will cope with fine as unlike a ICE >>>> car if stop it doesn’t use motor power that’s why EV range is worse on the >>>> highways vs around town. >>> >>> Most stop and go traffic isn't stopped long enough to recover what >>> it'll cost to start up. >>> >>> Starting and stopping takes more energy (fuel) than when cruising >>> along. That's true with either one. >> >>An EV recovers 70-80% of the braking energy, so start-stop is not an >>issue. What is a real boon is that start/stop at 30 mph gives you close >>to double the range of cruising at 60 mph. >> >>> If you read about driving >>> efficiently, you'l learn not to waste energy by hard braking. You lose >>> by wasting momentum and having a standing start instead of the rolling >>> start because of your gradual slowdown. Even with an EV, it pays if >>> you don't brake hard... >> >>Sure, I can get 10% extra mileage than my son at similar driving speeds >>but 10% is not significant. The Bicycle mindset "if you need to brake >>hard you probably should have started coasting 30s ago" does help a bit. >> >>> and yeah, I know that with some EV's braking can charge the battery. >> >>Make that all EV cars (but not EV bicycles). >> >>Rolf > >Sorry, I'm not buying the claims that electric cars are as useful as >gasoline powered cars. The hype is coming from sources I don't >trust... Such as the White House. > >And then there's reports like this: > >https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/road-tripping-in-our-long-term-electric-test-cars/ > > It doesn't really matter to me. If I should be able to drive long >enough to need a new vehicle, it will be a pickup truck, and I know >the electric trucks aren't more useful. Didn't I read something the other day about insurance for elect tic cars had being raised in Florida due to high repair costs? -- Cheers, John B.