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From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Pearls Before Swine: Rat The Luddite
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2024 08:39:18 -0700
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On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 22:15:25 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Aug 2024 18:35:55 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>wrote:
>
>>The only solution is to completely eliminate single-use
>>plastics.    I'd even go so far as to include milk and
>>juice jugs in that ban (glass is far more recyclable
>>and aside shipping weight, similar in cost).
>>
>>Paper milk cartons can eliminate the plastic lid.
>
>What does "single use" mean? I understand in the context of fast food
>cups but how about less common items like those 4 liter milk jugs I
>get my milk in (and generally put out each week in the recycling bin)
>or similar such items - for instance my cheddar comes wrapped in
>plastic and once the cheese is eaten, that plastic wrapper isn't
>getting used again <grin>

He is explicitly including milk and juice, suggesting we go back to
glass.

Which is fine, so long as, when I drop one on the floor and it breaks,
he comes over, cleans up the mess, and gives me my money back.

Plastic jugs don't break as often, although I suppose you could get
one to do so if you tried hard enough.

There is a /reason/ we replaced glass with plastic, at least in some
cases.

Interestingly, while, until they were banned, one-time-use plastic
shopping bags were taxed (as were and still are papter one-time-use
paper bags), smaller bags used to contain fruits and veggies were
exempt, despite clearly being one-time-use.

The plastic and paper bags, of course, were merely /intended/ for
one-time use. They could be, and were by some, used again and again
and again. Until more permanent re-usable bags came along, generally
of (you guessed it) plastic and not (IIRC) recyclable (due to being
"dirty" in some undefined sense). Now I am using what amount to
lidless cardboard boxes covered in (you guessed it) plastic. The
cardboard should be recyclable, even if the plastic (ie, the box as
such) is not.

BTW, the last paper milk carton I bought had no lid, and was
definitely not recyclable, apparently because it was heavily waxed. It
did eventually come to be accepted as compostable, however.

Endless variations on a common theme, that's what we have here.
--=20
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"