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On 09/26/2024 02:57 PM, bertietaylor wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 20:34:52 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>
>> On 09/26/2024 04:23 AM, bertietaylor wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 2:58:17 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anybody even bother to think about vis-viva versus vis-motrix
>>>> anymore, with regards to conservation, momentum, inertia, and energy,
>>>> and potential and impulse energy?
>>>>
>>>> Is it usually considered at all that momentum and inertia change
>>>> places with respect to resistance to change of motion and rest
>>>> respectively sort of back and forth in the theory since antiquity?
>>>>
>>>> Several times?
>>>
>>> Check out Arindam's physics.
>>> Discuss in detail if you dare.
>>
>> And what does it say?
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/8HgH3sbRe94/m/M60qDJqmAQAJ
>
> The physics aphorisms of Arindam
>
> 1.1 While relativity is completely wrong, such cannot be said of quantum
> theory.
>
> 1.2 However it depends upon energy levels of the orbital electrons. It
> ignores the existence of aether. It is devoid of any geometric basis for
> electron movement.
>
> 1.3 Depending upon energy levels to begin with is perilous. Energy is
> for business and money-making - the physicist should be interested
> primarily about forces. And as force unlike power/energy is a vector
> quantity, and so has direction, the geometrical situation is of
> paramount importance.
>
> 1.4 Using quantum theory, reflection of light may be explained this way
> - an incoming packet of energy called a photon causes an electron to
> jump from a lower energy orbital shell to a higher energy orbital shell.
> This is unstable, so it jumps down from the higher energy orbital shell
> to the lower energy orbital shell. The difference in energy is emitted
> now as a photon.
>
> 1.5 In 1.4 above the implicit notion is that the electron orbits are
> circular. It is also implied that the photon must have some mass as it
> has energy following e=mcc, and this mass with movmentum mc has the
> energy to kick up the electron to the higher orbit shell.
>
> 1.6 Now let us consider the above phenomenon in terms of aether, forces
> and geometries.
>
> 1.7 Aether by definition is a very fine solid through which all protons
> and electrons and neutrons pass the way bullets may go through grass
> which does not break but just bends. The photon in the aetheric context
> is a small burst of radiant energy. It is a disturbance with no mass.
>
> 1.8 When this aetheric disturbance caused by the radiation reaches the
> electron and as it envelops the electron, it changes the orbit of the
> electron by displacement.
>
> 1.9 In the process of displacement the disturbance loses its energy as
> the force to displace the electron is lost with the movement of the
> electron. This is for the first quarter cycle of the wave - from zero to
> peak
>
> 1.10 As a result of the energy absorption the orbit of the electron is
> no longer circular but elliptical, and more "high energy" that way.
>
> 1.11 An electric field is created with the dipole effect caused by the
> elliptic orbit. There was no electric field before the disturbance; now
> there is; so there has been a change of electric field meaning that has
> to be a corresponding changing magnetic field. Which will creating
> another changing electric field and so on till we have a burst of
> radiation, equivalent to the photon.
>
> 1.12 The electron at the higher energy level or greater ellipticity can
> be returned to the original orbit shell with the next quarter of the
> wave, from peak to zero. Again, as per 1.11 there will be a
> electromagnetic wave formation completing the half cycle.
>
> 1.13 The electron in this case does not behave as a single orbiting
> particle but as a thin and elastic rubber band.
>
> 1.14 The idea of the electron not as a particle but as a rubber band is
> of crucial importance in our study of he nucleus of an atom.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2.1 Aether, a solid made of infinitely fine particles, fills the entire
> infinite universe.
>
> 2.2 The particles can vibrate, that is, oscillate about their mean
> positions.
>
> 2.3 The only force in the universe is electric as matter is made up of
> positive and negative charges.
>
> 2.4 When the electric field changes, it creates a changing magnetic
> field, which creates a changing electric field and so on. The changing
> electric fields vibrate the aether.
>
> 2.5 If the electric field loops as in a current, there is a steady
> magnetic field.
>
> 2.6 Matter is made up of negative charges called electrons and protons
> that are positive charges.
>
> 2.7 Under mutual attraction, they go through aether as a diver through a
> wave. When static, they let the wave push them this way and that.
>
> 2.8 Aether is a solid but its density cannot be found as aether fills
> everything including the space within the atom.
>
> 2.9 Only the density of protons and electrons can be estimated, for
> their mass and volume may be known from experiments.
>
> 2.10 Aether cannot affect the normal movement of the electrons and
> protons as they go through aether. There is no drag.
>
> 2.11 Aether bends to let electrons and protons squeeze through. No loss
> of momentum, thus, in the normal situation.
>
> 2.11 But with the applies electric field there is aetheric swaying from
> vibration about their mean positions according to the frequency of the
> changing electric field. This is what moves the electrons from their
> normal states. In this displacement of the electron the kinetic energy
> of the electromagnetic wave is absorbed.
>
> 2.12 Thus only when there is an electric field causing vibration to the
> aether there is momentum transfer to the electron.
>
> 2.13 Electrons are like rubber bands while protons may be spherical.
>
>
>
>
> 3.1 The aether particles are infinitely small by definition.
>
> 3.2 As they are infinitely small like points they have as you say no
> shape nor structure not volume.
>
> 3.3 Under the impact of electrical forces they vibrate and this
> vibration impacts upon the momentum of the electrons.
>
> 3.4 Thus the kinetic energy of the vibration transforms to the kinetic
> energy of the electron.
>
> 3.5 The reverse situation happens when the electron loses its kinetic
> energy. It creates the aetheric vibration.
>
> 3.6 This is understood it as water molecules going past a very thin set
> of wires forming a sieve. Only this time the water molecules stick to
> each other in their relative positions.
>
> 3.7 Aether particles bend aside to let the electrons and protons pass
> through them.
>
>
>
>
>
> 4.1 The definition of aether follows from a book referred to and quoted
> from in my 2005 post.'
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.culture.australian/wwQ4LkfM4bc/7uhLA2kLDfQJ
>
>
> 4.2 aether: a solid where infinitely fine, infinitely elastic particles
> filling the entire infinite universe including the inter-atomic spaces
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