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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2025 08:32:45 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <e0b006bdf4e154a50e1809bc092cf2d83802ee99@i2pn2.org> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vs1vuv$2ot1m$1@dont-email.me> <d2f86fad6c5823e3c098f30d331576c52263b398@i2pn2.org> <vs2fgn$354gv$5@dont-email.me> <vs2u3v$3mcjm$2@dont-email.me> <vs434l$mmcb$3@dont-email.me> <vs45a3$resr$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ne1$1c1ja$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ovc$1e09p$1@dont-email.me> <vs4pg8$1c1ja$6@dont-email.me> <vs4pi9$1e09p$2@dont-email.me> <vs4qpp$1c1ja$7@dont-email.me> <vs4r2u$1e09p$3@dont-email.me> <vs4snt$1c1ja$9@dont-email.me> <e11c6f4f29bb0c77dbd10f8e20bca766712977d0@i2pn2.org> <vs50kt$1c1ja$15@dont-email.me> <vs5r0j$2f37e$1@dont-email.me> <vs6srk$39556$12@dont-email.me> <vs6t10$2p360$6@dont-email.me> <vs70tc$39556$21@dont-email.me> <vs71bq$2p360$10@dont-email.me> <vs76m9$3m3q0$1@dont-email.me> <vs77th$2p360$11@dont-email.me> <vs78cu$3ms9k$1@dont-email.me> <c8d42d8ae414c4a6aba7d6f3ccc7892ee728edc7@i2pn2.org> <vs9fkv$1v2n9$3@dont-email.me> <2e44884357bdbf88e78daeda376eb8946f22cfb6@i2pn2.org> <vs9oup$27rl4$6@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2025 08:32:45 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2360712"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Am Sat, 29 Mar 2025 16:33:13 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 3/29/2025 2:51 PM, joes wrote: >> Am Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:54:22 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 3/29/2025 4:19 AM, joes wrote: >> >>>> Even a constant function is a "computation", even if it doesn't >>>> actually do any work. >>> That is not transforming an input finite string into its corresponding >>> output finite string. >> Yes it is: transforming every input into the same output. > Deciders must transform inputs into accept or reject states on the basis > of a syntactic or semantic property specified by the input. If every input has length 5, you don't need to transform anything. >>>>> The actual requirement is to compute the mapping from a finite >>>>> string to its length using a sequence of algorithmic steps. >>>>> Likewise for halting. Compute the mapping from a finite string of >>>>> machine code to the behavior that this finite string specifies. >>>> Do you reckon the direct execution of a TM contradicts the >>>> specification? > Direct execution itself cannot possibly contradict anything. > Read what I said above as many times as needed to get it. I don't, that's why I ask. The direct execution of D contradicts the return value of H(D). -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.