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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Turing computable functions Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 09:59:41 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <e14a71c932370dbfaa384f8ca8a595a4afe46ff5@i2pn2.org> References: <vruvsn$3tamc$3@dont-email.me> <vrv0d4$3hle3$10@dont-email.me> <vrv18e$3tamc$4@dont-email.me> <vrv2aa$3hle3$11@dont-email.me> <vrv4up$3t3k$1@dont-email.me> <vrv5le$3hle3$12@dont-email.me> <vrv7vh$73q7$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 09:59:41 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1811757"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2419 Lines: 35 Am Tue, 25 Mar 2025 16:42:09 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 3/25/2025 4:02 PM, dbush wrote: >> On 3/25/2025 4:50 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 3/25/2025 3:05 PM, dbush wrote: >>>> On 3/25/2025 3:47 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 3/25/2025 2:32 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>> On 3/25/2025 3:24 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> cannot possibly report on the behavior of any directly executing >>>>>>> process. No Turing machine can every do this. This has always been >>>>>>> beyond what any Turing machine can ever do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Strawman: reporting on an executing process is not a requirement. >>>>> >>>>> YOU JUST SAID THAT IT WAS YOU KEEP MINDLESSLY REPEATING THAT IT IS >>>>> On 3/25/2025 2:32 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>> > (<X>,Y) maps to 1 if and only if X(Y) halts when executed >>>>> > directly >>>>> >>>> I never said it had to actually watch an executing process, only >>>> report what would happen if it did run. >>>> >>> *It has been conclusively proven as a verified* >>> *fact many hundreds of times over several years* >>> That the behavior that the finite string input specifies >> >> Is > NOT ALWAYS Should be. >> the behavior of directly executing the described Turing machine. Then the simulator is broken. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.