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Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 17:30:13 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <e32261a1573704961d2e429a24f0ceb01bc6962c@i2pn2.org> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vijhrd$34mp8$1@dont-email.me> <vilh59$3k21l$5@dont-email.me> <vilheq$3ks01$3@dont-email.me> <vilhjk$3k21l$9@dont-email.me> <vilhk8$3ks01$4@dont-email.me> <vilhnl$3k21l$10@dont-email.me> <viljdo$3k21l$12@dont-email.me> <87frn50zjp.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vinuvc$cdlu$1@dont-email.me> <vinvvu$c7p5$6@dont-email.me> <vio0u4$c7p5$8@dont-email.me> <vio8rj$ei97$5@dont-email.me> <vio9nu$f13q$1@dont-email.me> <vip1f1$npsr$2@dont-email.me> <vipaue$qd3r$1@dont-email.me> <87y10vzo35.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <vipf6v$qr8p$2@dont-email.me> <87ser3zgez.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <viqca6$12cut$2@dont-email.me> <virpnj$1g4uq$1@dont-email.me> <ff5ee533dd180eb24978c76e7e00ba6f4676d51a@i2pn2.org> <vis3iq$1iu5p$1@dont-email.me> <da99c67bd5f1d280212fbd29dec939f027876cbd@i2pn2.org> <visiva$1mmrh$2@dont-email.me> <fa5dd2bb45e6774a4ddc0687e646f052f5a46c56@i2pn2.org> <vj18ut$31atn$1@dont-email.me> <31b54c73b9adc7947fe72779bbca45f8d2a51e2d@i2pn2.org> <vj2es7$3asgd$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 22:30:13 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1772450"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: <vj2es7$3asgd$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 12/7/24 4:31 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > On 12/7/2024 4:20 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 12/7/24 5:44 AM, WM wrote: >>> On 06.12.2024 14:30, joes wrote: >>>> Am Thu, 05 Dec 2024 17:04:58 +0100 schrieb WM: >>>>> On 05.12.2024 13:56, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Thu, 05 Dec 2024 12:42:17 +0100 schrieb WM: >>>>> >>>>>>> But every number you can take belongs to a vanishing subset of ℕ. >>>>>> What does that have to do with the ability to be "chosen"? >>>>> It is impossible to choose a number outside of a tiny subset. >>>> Duh. There are no other numbers. >>> >>> May be. My statements however concern completed infinity. The subset >>> is never complete. >>> >>> Regards, WM >>> >> >> And thus the limit of the subsets is not complete either, per your >> logic of a limit of constants is always that same constant. Thus, your >> trying to define the complete infinity just fails. > > WM seems to think that "completed" means there simply must be a largest > natural number? I can only guess here. He seems to think that Completed means all of them, but then he assumes that if you have "all" of a set, that set must have a last element. This comes from the fact that the only sets he can have are finite, and complete finite sets have a last element. He just doesn't get that a complete infinite set doesn't necessarily have a "last" element in it, because that concept is just unimaginable to his tiny brain.