From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>
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Subject: Re: Protonmail and 'Swiss privacy' remind me of Operation Rubicon.
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 20:50:41 +0200 (CEST)
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On 22 Apr 2024, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> posted some
news:v07lc8$cl5k$1@solani.org: 

> On a sunny day (Mon, 22 Apr 2024 22:12:13 +0100) it happened Yamn
> Remailer 
><noreply@mixmin.net> wrote in <20240422.221213.b8e85811@mixmin.net>:
> 
>>Anonymous <nobody@yamn.paranoici.org> wrote:
>>>On Mon 22 Apr 2024 3:05 pm, SugarBug wrote:
>>
>>>> If you trust any third-party server to protect your privacy, you're
>>>> a rube. 
>>> If you trust electronic comms you're a rube. Security is offline.
>>
>>I doubt it.  Offline, which means non-virtual interaction by
>>exchanging physical media, inevitably leaves much more traces than
>>electronic communication, to be exact asynchronous anonymous onion
>>routing as done with a combination of Tor & Mixmaster / YAMN.  Just
>>think of fingerprints or DNA contamination of communication media, the
>>kind of paper, ink or printer and toner you use, the postoffice that
>>took delivery of your letter and so on.  And I've no idea how to
>>create an anonymous real world reply channel as offered by our
>>nymservers.  No, provided that your device isn't compromised anonymous
>>remailing is the best we have, state of the art in this field.
> 
> With 2 TB micro SD cards homing pigeons are good for lots of data in a
> short time. Of course adversaries can target the pigeon holders,
> The next step is to add the info to the DNA of animals...
> or just to the regular mail or objects as contamination..
> ;-)

That actually works.  

An SD card fits nicely behind a stamp on a postcard too.

You're on to something with the DNA.