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Subject: Re: Sufficient knowledge of C proves that DD specifies
 non-terminating behavior to HHH
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 11:16:41 -0000 (UTC)
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Am Sun, 09 Feb 2025 13:54:39 -0600 schrieb olcott:
> On 2/9/2025 1:33 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 20:04 schreef olcott:
>>> On 2/9/2025 12:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 18:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>> On 2/9/2025 10:50 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 16:18 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>> On 2/9/2025 2:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>> Op 09.feb.2025 om 07:10 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:54 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 15:47 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/2025 3:57 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 08.feb.2025 om 06:53 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 7:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 8:12 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 5:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/25 11:26 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2025 6:20 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 10:02 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 8:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 5:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 1:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/25 1:26 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2025 10:52 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.02.2025 um 16:11 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/5/2025 1:44 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 05.02.2025 um 04:38 schrieb olcott:

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which proves that HHH fails to make a correct decision about
>>>>>>>>>> DD's halting behaviour. All other methods (direct execution,
>>>>>>>>>> simulation by a world class simulator, etc.) show that DD
>>>>>>>>>> halts. But HHH fails to see it. Everyone with sufficient
>>>>>>>>>> understanding of programming sees that HHH is not correctly
>>>>>>>>>> programmed when it aborts one cycle before the simulation would
>>>>>>>>>> end normally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The execution trace only shows that HHH is unable to complete its
>>>>>>>> simulation, because HHH is unable to simulate itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It turns out that Olcott does not even understand this simple proof
>>>>>> that HHH produces false negatives. HHH is unable to simulate itself
>>>>>> up to the normal termination.
>>>>>
>>>> So, in other words, Olcott denies verified facts.
>>>> HHH generates false negatives, as is verified in
>>>>         int main() {
>>>>           return HHH(main);
>>>>         }
>>>> but he denies it.
>>>> He lacks the ability to accept simple verified facts, which he tries
>>>> to hide with a lot of irrelevant words.
>>>
>>> It is a verified fact that main cannot possibly be correctly simulated
>>> by HHH until its normal termination.
>> 
>> Indeed, which proves that HHH is unable to simulate itself correctly.
> 
> If this was true then you could point out exactly where HHH is
> incorrect. 
HHH is supposed to be a decider, i.e. halt and return the correct value.

> Here is the code point out the (nonexistent) error:
https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c#L502

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Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.