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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 15:50:50 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <e3d4e505e8fb6c53fdf29f374b861d93dce2e32f@i2pn2.org> References: <1049cr4$10io1$1@dont-email.me> <104apto$1d6ik$1@dont-email.me> <104bfom$1hqln$3@dont-email.me> <104dc7p$22du8$1@dont-email.me> <104e2cd$2852a$2@dont-email.me> <104fvvp$2qvbi$1@dont-email.me> <104gjo8$2uc68$3@dont-email.me> <104ii2r$3egqg$1@dont-email.me> <104j9bp$3jrpl$3@dont-email.me> <104l99t$52fb$1@dont-email.me> <104lnfv$7l4q$3@dont-email.me> <5e2d28477694fbca79e32781de1faf97f3fd29c0@i2pn2.org> <104ltkd$7l4q$14@dont-email.me> <104nvnt$pgpb$1@dont-email.me> <104ohjj$t0u4$3@dont-email.me> <104qiqu$1dq8o$1@dont-email.me> <104ramr$1icss$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 15:50:50 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="122088"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Am Fri, 11 Jul 2025 10:30:35 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 7/11/2025 3:43 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2025-07-10 14:09:55 +0000, olcott said: >>> On 7/10/2025 4:05 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2025-07-09 14:16:44 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> On 7/9/2025 9:04 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Wed, 09 Jul 2025 07:31:59 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>> On 7/9/2025 3:29 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2025-07-08 14:18:32 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> On 7/8/2025 2:41 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> True conclusion from false premeises is fairly common. But that >>>>>>>>>> is not relevant. >>>>>>>>> It proves that logic is fundamentally incorrect on this point. >>>>>>>>> Logic must be a sequence of truth preserving operations or it is >>>>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>> Should only false conclusions be derivable from false premises? >>>>> >>>>> False premises must be immediately rejected. >>>> >>>> Often one must work with sentences that are not known to be true but >>>> not known to be false, either. >>>> >>> Then contradiction proves falsehood. >> >> That's right: if a contradiction is inferred then at least one of the >> preimises is false. But that does not tell which premise is false. >> >> > *This Wikipedia quote* > > the principle of explosion is the law according to which *any > > statement can be proven from a contradiction* > > Here is the exact meaning of: > *any statement can be proven from a contradiction* > ∀x (⊥ ⊢ x). > > Is proven to be incorrect in that it diverges from truth preserving > operations. How so? If A and ~A are both true, B also is. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.