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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 04:07:15 +0000
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On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 4:49:11 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 5:47:00 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>> Since MMP is trying to disrupt his psychoanalysis by attempting to
>>> change the subject to whatever he can think of, and since I don't want
>>> to let his attempts pass without comment, I'm being forced to open new
>>> threads on some of it.
>>> From: https://www.novabbs.com/arts/post.php?id=255645
>>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:42:11 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 5:55:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>> It seems that Senetto took the lead in attempting to drive Stephan
>>>>>> Pickering from the newsgroup though, but that may have been fueled by
>>>>>> Senetto's obvious Antisemitism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for reminding me. It was actually MMP who did that by bringing
>>>>> NAMBLA to the group. That triggered Jim, just the way MFH triggered him
>>>>> after he was told that it was really about child molesting.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you lie so much, George?
>>>
>>> Why do you project so much, MMP? (That's a rhetorical question. As noted
>>> in
>>> your psychoanalysis, you are playing the preemption game you learned
>>> from
>>> Peter J. Ross.)
>>>
>>>> (That's a rhetorical question, as you've already intimated that your
>>>> pathological lying stems from you having been abused as a child.)
>>>
>>> No, Lying Michael: I have never said, or even "intimated" (!) that I was
>>> pathological, lying, or
>>> "abused as a child".
>>
>> As usual, Michael Pendragon Jud makes his lies and misrepresentations up
>> as he goes along.
>
> I don't know why you're always repeating this line, Donkey... but if
> you're attempting to compare me to Indiana Jones, I am delighted to
> accept the compliment.
>
>
>>>> When Pickles joined the group, he simply posted ongoing entries in a
>>>> proposed bibliography of some Magnum Opus he had been working on for
>>>> years.  To the best of my recollection, this tome-in-progress was an
>>>> attempt to tie all of literature, culture, and history together via
>>>> Jewish themes explored in Bob Dylan songs.
>>
>> That's actually how I met Stephan Pickering, I bought one of his early
>> books exploring the connections between the Kabbalah and Bob Dylan
>> songs.
>>
>> This led to many years of correspondence, which my brother David later
>> continued via snail mail.
>
> Finding connections between Kabbalah and a Jewish man's song lyrics
> seems about as difficult of finding Christian connections in the poems
> of a Catholic.
>
> I doubt that you've actually read Joseph Campbell, but you may have
> watched one or more of his Power of Myth episodes on PBS.  If so, you
> might have some primitive understanding of the interrelatedness of myths
> from various cultures and eras, and maybe... just maybe... realize that
> these myths (or archetypes) are often expressed through works of art.
>
> That BD would employ Kabbalistic themes is practically a given.
>
> However, Pick's magnum opus in which he attempts to relate all of the
> material universe (right down to fractals) to BD songs is an example of
> a monomaniacal obsession bordering on psychosis.
>
>>> Anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject can appear to have
>>> "gone off the deep end" to someone who knows nothing of the subject.
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> Stephan Pickering definitely knew his subject matter.
>
> Pick went off the deep end with his theory which elevated BD to the
> position of YHWH, or God.  And he rode around on a bicycle with a
> mummified cat in his basket and a small filing cabinet dragging from the
> rear fender.  Then of course there were his imaginary wife and children,
> Faline's spirit who was in contact with him from the Beyond, his story
> that he draft dodged the Vietnam war by skipping to Canada and Israel
> (when he had actually checked himself into a mental institution after
> having been caught stealing from Forrest Ackerman...)
>
> The man was a total fruitcake.  He wasn't even Jewish.  He
> self-converted (there's no such thing) out of his love for BD.
>
>
>>
>>>> I attempted to engage Pickles in several conversations regarding his
>>>> posts, but he either ignored them, or spat back some angry, and
>>>> impolite, remarks.
>>>
>>> Similarly anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject cannot be
>>> expected to appreciate having a total ignoramus on the subject trying to
>>> explain it to him. So while I don't condone his impoliteness, I can
>>> fully understand it.
>>
>> You nailed it.
>
> There is a world of difference between scholarship, and monomaniacal
> obsession.
>
>>>> Since I didn't relish the idea of getting into a
>>>> flamewar with another nutjob (he reminded me of the 50s group's nutter,
>>>> "PhillyGuy"), I took to ignoring his posts.  Since he only posted once
>>>> or twice a week, ignoring him required little to no effort.
>>>
>>> You handled that well, IMO. "Skip and ignore" the posts and posters
>>> you don't like; as long as they stay out of your face, everyone wins.
>>
>> Definitely a good policy.
>
> Unfortunately, skip and ignore doesn't work with Donkeys.
>
>>
>>>> At some point Jim and Pickles got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg.  I
>>>> don't recall who started it.
>>
>> Jim Senetto's homophobia and Antisemitism was the cause, basically.
>
> Watch it, Donkey.  Libel is a crime.
>
>
>>
>>> Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into
>>> flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a
>>> Pickering
>>> troll. The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler,
>>> where
>>> they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The
>>> result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in
>>> JIm
>>> flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned
>>> against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor Stephan realized that you were
>>> manipulating them for that outcome.
>>
>> Unfortunately, that's exactly what Pendragon's agenda turned out to be.
>
> The proof of one's agenda is in what one does, Donkey.
>
> Let us now turn to Matthew 7:16-20
> (King James Version):
>
> 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns,
> or figs of thistles?
>
> 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree
> bringeth forth evil fruit.
>
> 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree
> bring forth good fruit.
>
> 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast
> into the fire.
>
> 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
>
>
> Shall we compare fruits?
>
> I am publishing an AAPC poetry journal featuring award-winning poets.
> You are sitting here all by yourself, desperately attempting to troll
> those you've driven away back into the group.
>
>
>>> After Jim and Stephan became engaged in a prolonged flamewar, both on
>>> and
>>> off the Sampler, the second thing you did was start flooding the group
>>> with
>>> a nasty, libellous document that NG had written.
>>
>> Grim times for the poetry newsgroup indeed.
>
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