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On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 08:44:14 -0400, zen cycle
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 9/6/2024 4:43 PM, cyclintom wrote:
>> I have a mail address on outlook that uses my name rather than cyclintom and since 2009 when I again was interested in looking for work, it has had 5200 job offers. 

>It has 5200 head hunter ads, not job offers.

2009 would have been 15 years ago.  That's 346 offers per year or
approximately 1 offer per day.  That's really impressive.  Assuming no
repeat offers or spammers, I suspect there aren't enough employment
recruiting agencies available to produce that many offers.

2009 is problematic because Tom had his head injury some time near the
end of 2009.  It allegedly took 4 years for Tom to recover.  Somehow,
I don't see Tom applying for work while dealing with epileptic
seizures, driving difficulties, insurance issues from four destroyed
Ford Taurus vehicles, and an outstanding warrants for a DUI and
failure to appear.

There's another problem.  Hiring senior management can be expensive to
the employer at 15% to 25% of the employees first year salary.  For a
$150,000 salary, that's about $30,000 in fees:
<https://eddy.com/hr-encyclopedia/recruitment-fees/>
Given the choice between paying an agency such a large amount and
finding their own employees, many companies will opt for the cheaper
route.  (That's what happened to me when I was looking).  For the
recruiters to be paid, the employee is required to work for the
company for at least 1 year and sometimes longer.  One look at Tom's
resume and the job hopping would certainly have been noticed.
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
What this tells me is that Tom has never even talked to a recruiter.

>> Apparently that is painful to people like "shadow" and Liebermann
>> but such is life. They seem to be in the business of denying my
>> success. They can do anything they like, if it is that painful
>> to them, why comment at all?

True.  There are some things that I don't disclose in public forums.
Since I'm retired, I've been mentioning some of my failures and
embarrassments more often.  

Please remember that what I do, don't do, or do badly has no effect on
your claims, assertions, boasts, credibility, competence, etc.  You
have to prove those to your readers without comparing yourself with
anyone else.  Cutting someone else down does not raise your
competence.

As to me being in the business of denying your success, I'll consider
denying your success when I see you demonstrate 3rd party proof that
you were or are a success.  So far, I haven't seen any such proof.
Assertions, claims, proclamations and lies are insufficient proof.
 
>> Without a degree and with most of my references dead, a large 
>> prortion of the jobs are running QC divisions and that sort of thing.
>> I am a scientist 
>
>lol...now tommy is a "scientist"!

At some point, he claimed to have been something like a "senior
management consultant" or something similar, which should pay better
than a scientist.

>> and not a manufacturing flunky so I simply don't answer them. Finally I got tired of people asking me to work that don't describe the jobs in detail. So I am now permanently retired though I suppose if someone had a real interesting job I might be interested. But the pay for an EE, even as a manager is so small that it is hardly worth the effort. 
>
>https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/engineering-manager-salary/san-francisco-ca

$191,000 for San Francisco.  
$169,000 for California
<https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/engineering-manager-salary/ca>

>> The highest offer I have had is $200,000 and that job was out of my category.

Let's see what a "senior management consultant" might make:
<https://www.salary.com/research/salary/posting/senior-management-consultant-salary/ca>
Median salary in CA is $132,000.  I would have expected it would pay
better than an engineering manager.  Perhaps salaries and titles are
returning to some level of sanity?

>You've never had a job offer for 200K. You had a head hunter call you 
>based on keyword searches in your linkedin profile and tell you about a 
>job that had 200K as the upper end of the scale. They subsequently hung 
>up when they realized they were talking to an arrogant asshole who lied 
>on his resume

I'm not sure that the way it works today, but was likely the method
used by recruiters when Tom was working.  As I understand it (possibly
wrong), prospective candidates rarely are able to talk with the
recruiter until the agency has verified the resume and done a thorough
background check.  Salary is initially mentioned as a very broad
range.  At least that was what happened to a friend's son who was
worried about job security and used a recruiter to see what was
available.  I have no idea if that's typical.


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