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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Gravitational time dilation HOAX along the years Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 22:58:22 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <e47a7acd067fb390d71e6fc9b6a76061@www.novabbs.com> References: <84deac76f160f1f681f5275e10d7e683@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3371792"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="OjDMvaaXMeeN/7kNOPQl+dWI+zbnIp3mGAHMVhZ2e/A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$fTPIZwSEgOJ/4rzkEc.ZT.RQETtzkCMBCkIZQBmMIFHZrFiwxcyIW X-Rslight-Posting-User: 26080b4f8b9f153eb24ebbc1b47c4c36ee247939 Bytes: 3571 Lines: 64 Einstein wrote, in his 1911 paper: ...................................... 3. Time and the Velocity of Light in the Gravitational Field If the radiation emitted in the uniformly accelerated system K0 in S2 toward S1 had the frequency f2 relative to the clock at S2, then, relative to S1, at its arrival at S1 it no longer has the frequency f2 relative to an identical clock at S1, but a greater frequency f1, such that, to a first approximation (2) f1 = f2 (1 + gh/c²) ****************************************************************************** (2') hᴾf1 = hᴾf2 (1 + gh/c²) (2'') E1(1 photon) - E2 (1 photon) = hᴾf2 gh/c² hᴾ: Planck's constant S2 is a point on the z axis at a distance h of point S1, located at the z origin. Einstein described how a photon falling vertically from a height h, under gravity acceleration g, gained energy gh/c². It meant that the photon's frequency was blue-shifted while it fell due to gravity. By that epoch (1911), he kept talking about clocks as reference of time. By today standards and the use of ANY atomic clock, the frequency of the EM energy is what counts in his theory. It doesn't matter what kind of EM clock is, as it ONLY counts cycles/sec of such EM energy, either at 9.6 Ghz for Cesium, 1.4 Ghz for Hydrogen maser or ANY derived frequency that is obtained by digitally down scaling the frequency. The same formula applies to 9.6 Ghz oscillation or a derived 1 Mhz signal. Clocks just COUNT pulses. What was behind this simple formula was that photons HAD MASS. And that such mass, at the height h, had a NEWTONIAN POTENTIAL ENERGY, The higher the height h, the higher the newtonian potential energy of radiation. He inferred (even when mumble something about it) that such extra energy hᴾf2 gh/c² was MAGICALLY TRANSFERRED to the photon, on its way down. Why? Because in his deranged mind, ENERGY HAD TO BE CONSERVED between S2 and S1. So, the photon is blue-shifted when falling down, and the extra potential energy at S2 (not declared explicitly) is being transferred to the frequency of the photon. BUT, if you discard that EM energy HAS MASS, then the equation IS FALSE. It means that hᴾf1 = hᴾf2 and that Δf/f₀ = 0 (ZERO). So, there it goes the crappy theory of gravitational time dilation. It's false, it's an hoax, and raised clocks ticks the same amount of pulses per second, not caring about the height h. In other words, t' = t, as far as gravitational time dilation story is falsely narrated.