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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 00:21:33 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <e5596464c2f349c4470b4ee54cb8324a3c7ed152@i2pn2.org> References: <v6m7si$1uq86$2@dont-email.me> <v6mhc7$20hbo$2@dont-email.me> <v6mhr3$20kkr$2@dont-email.me> <v6nts5$2be3m$1@dont-email.me> <v6op4h$2fuva$4@dont-email.me> <v6qo1d$2ugov$1@dont-email.me> <v6rajl$30qtt$7@dont-email.me> <v6tc75$3gidj$1@dont-email.me> <v6tri1$3imib$9@dont-email.me> <v702t1$2lgb$1@dont-email.me> <v70mel$61d8$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 00:21:33 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3279088"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 3219 Lines: 39 Am Sun, 14 Jul 2024 09:13:41 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 7/14/2024 3:40 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-07-13 12:22:24 +0000, olcott said: >>> On 7/13/2024 3:00 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-07-12 13:20:53 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> On 7/12/2024 3:03 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-07-11 14:10:24 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> On 7/11/2024 1:25 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-07-10 17:53:38 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>> On 7/10/2024 12:45 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Op 10.jul.2024 om 17:03 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>> However, each of those instances has the same sequence of >>>>>>>> instructions that the x86 language specifies the same operational >>>>>>>> meaning. >>>>>>> *That is counter-factual* >>>>>>> When DDD is correctly emulated by HHH according to the semantics >>>>>>> of the x86 programming language HHH must abort its emulation of >>>>>>> DDD or both HHH and DDD never halt. >>>>>> There is not "must" anywhere in the semantics of the programming >>>>>> language. >>>>> The semantics of the language specifies the behavior of the machine >>>>> code thus deriving the must. >>>> How can one derive "must" from the semantics of the machine code? >>> Deciders are required to (thus must) halt. >> The semantics of the x86 language does not require that, nor that any >> of the programs is a decider. > The subject our our conversion is a simulating termination analyzer AKA > partial halt decider that accepts a finite string of x86 code as > specifying halting behavior or rejects this finite string. Deciders are > required to halt thus must abort the emulation of any input that would > prevent this. > Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination of HHH > necessarily specifies non-halting behavior or it would never need to be > aborted. DDD nor HHH however are non-halting inputs and do not need to be aborted. -- Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 schrieb olcott: Objectively I am a genius.