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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 04:48:44 +0000 Subject: Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc References: <slrnvhnn9i.2ou1.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> <vfh570$3brp2$2@dont-email.me> <20241025153958.0000222f@gmail.com> <vfhbt5$3d372$2@dont-email.me> <vfhkm0$3i0mb$1@dont-email.me> <lo3dvqFo19fU2@mid.individual.net> <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.26--1.25pm.Seattle.2024> <xehTO.203223$WtV9.131792@fx10.iad> <vfk82g$3vb1l$2@dont-email.me> <QJ-cnZteHbigTID6nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@earthlink.com> <vfl4jv$bic6$9@dont-email.me> <1cfe858a-0468-ad08-e261-bcb77b4d4f4c@example.net> From: "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> Organization: wokiesux Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 00:48:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1cfe858a-0468-ad08-e261-bcb77b4d4f4c@example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <e56cncZww5IxioL6nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com> Lines: 50 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-OaZ1U8secrLQk9y1bONelaWrY1+48ZxNTBmgw/WgEW8+4eyCrqVmzBoIjmAtxnpJhjn+NRsHDj+e9g/!TGTJGf2hgno4VyzT8SOxVmgBLlmOaQ0fFng81ABOdI/uO8NL0GhhxbI4FZFPJgE3IFPFXENKzLvz!Lt3hJ1GzUzK6ZVmyPTe+ X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3663 On 10/27/24 5:34 PM, D wrote: > > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 27/10/2024 05:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>> On 10/26/24 10:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 02:06:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Our whole universe was in a hot dense state..." >>>> >>>> As I look around, I see some in this noisegroup who still seem to be in >>>> that state ... >>> >>> Normally these groups are VERY quiet. But then it's only >>> about a week before elections. >>> >>> As for the universe, it USED to be in a 'hot dense state', >>> but has cooled-off considerably. If 'dark energy' calx are >>> correct we're already on the downside - headed for icy doom. >>> >> Well so says the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view. >> >> We are surfing a wave of entropy created by the big bang and will all >> end up washed up the beach gasping and then die. >> >> Of course the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view is >> only a man made theory, when it comes down to it. And can neither be >> proven true or false. >> > > The world actually can be proven true. G.E. Moore did it many decades > ago. Here's a hand! Even the Buddha said the universe was "real" - just that creatures like US, maybe any, could never really see it's entirety - barely a key-hole view. Our evolution, bodies, senses, brains ... we see things through "Human- Colored Glasses" and that's our kinda faux view of things. We are PRODUCTS of The Universe, but each product must have its own special perspective. In more computer terms it's like The System trying to eval/evolve itself. Even at best, the eval CHANGES the System, so it's a never-ending task. Yea, kinda 'quantum' in some respects - don't LOOK or you change what you're looking at. It's reality's "Fuck You !" :-)