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Subject: Re: Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?
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From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 11:59:59 -0700
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On 04/12/2025 07:35 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 04/11/2025 12:16 PM, shades@cov.net.inv wrote:
>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 04/09/2025 07:21 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>> What does 'exist' mean? Why suppose that it was ever possible for
>>>> nothing to exist?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well it can follow from consideration or contemplation/deliberation
>>> itself: on the universal, vis-a-vis the void, that there are examples
>>> since antiquity like 'nature abhors a vacuum', about creation and
>>> destruction vis-a-vis conservation, that considering "nothing" is
>>> the same as considering "everything".
>>>
>>> It's sort of like when a given thing, is, everything that it is not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then, this gets into things like why there's a principle of inversion
>>> instead of a principle of (non-)contradiction, that's sort of been
>>> a usual idea since antiquity, the principle of non-contradiction,
>>> yet instead, a principle of inversion can see that arrive and
>>> for reason and rationality and according to nature and reality.
>>>
>>> So, really it's a question to answer for yourself, where though
>>> the usual "fundamental question of metaphysics" is "why is there
>>> something rather than nothing", then there's quite a bit of the
>>> canon and dogma and doctrine about it, to make inter-subjective
>>> accounts, vis-a-vis, usual personal individual ponderings.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyways there's an idea that the universe exists simply because
>>
>> -----------------------------------
>>
>> It exists because God created it.
>
> That's a usual notion, that the "Omni" and "Super" are more
> than merely super-scientific, both paradoxical and true,
> evident in all things yet an un-knowable mystery, from
> pondering higher powers and theirs ad infinitum or one
> of them and as for monism and monotheism.
>
> Then there's also that it always existed and creates itself,
> also a monism and monotheism, where it's so that theories of
> origins like Big Bang and Steady State are neither falsifiable,
> according to the sky survey the age of universe increases a
> few billion years each few years, where the truth of what's
> arrived at makes for a continuum mechanics of some perfect logic.
>
> So, the perfect and sublime, as what may be from G-d's mind,
> has that here there's a logical theory that puts paradox and
> truth away into the super-natural, as Duns Scotus puts it,
> that it's super and it's natural, then as super-scientific,
> thus beyond the mere realm of the phenomenological, and even
> beyond the noumenological, the omnipotent and omniscient and
> omnipresent the omnific, has that G-d as it may be is above
> mere mortals' demands, supplications, or petitions, though
> it may be holy to model theory on the holy, the holistic monism.
>
>
> Then that's a matter of a sort of voluntary submission, religion,
> where religion is that to which one binds, it's as well so that
> for reason one can arrive at principles of perfection and the
> sublime, then the silver thread of teleology may be a merest
> "universal truth", and with concepts like freedom of thought,
> then that when there's invoked G-d, that's always through the
> lens of the invoker thusly different things to different people.
>
> Or, hubris demands that the truth of reason makes for a Principle
> of Sufficient and Thorough Reason, that insofar as it's perfect
> and sublime, it must be perfect and sublime.
>
>
> So, the Omni and Super is true, say, yet insofar as Man and
> reason go, super-scientifically (naturally).
>
>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lck4UrsfpVU&list=PLb7rLSBiE7F4_E-POURNmVLwp-dyzjYr-&index=14


"Descartes' Deceiver" is a usual idea of DesCartes that as humans
aren't perfect there could be any sort of lies between humanity
and truth, that DesCartes won't be fooled and that Aristotle
won't be fooled, then there's as well a usual idea of that
a true higher power could have resulted a sort of metempsychosis,
to or from any given point, then that for either of those it
results sort of immaterial except that science is a fair reasoning,
statistics will lie if you let them, a transcendental personal
objectivism may be with respect to monistic holism, that DesCartes won't
lie to himself.


Then, about Being and Nothing, it was to Hegel again where all
the universals were to have their complementary reflection in
the nihilism or Sein and Nichtes, Da-Sein and Da-Nichtes, then
that it sort of results from space concerns that a spiral space-filling
curve, or for example DesCartes' vortices, result a continuum is
a mentally evident construct, reified by all things connected
according to the physical senses or Sens, about the "noumenological
senses" of an object sense, a number sense, a word sense, and a
sense of the continuum and time, then that time rather neatly arrives
then with regards to mathematical infinity and real continuity,
that strong mathematical platonism and strong logicist positivism
and a strong mathematical universe hypothesis with a clock hypothesis,
make for something like Galileo's "eppur si muove", Aristotle's un-moved
mover, where as well Aristotle's circular movement is eternal.


So, there's an idea that the universal _and_ void both exist, "because",
.....