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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Relativity claims the corona is too thin to refract enough to curve starlight. Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 02:43:16 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <eafde161b6230ae1f3e1196f153f9f3a@www.novabbs.com> References: <6b0c7e8c846682004d455d379716128c@www.novabbs.com> <a594f9da668554342e9778d771bce7a8@www.novabbs.com> <89cd74f3047884327042a8ed2ad4ce29@www.novabbs.com> <469efb0cbe09e1f72d64fca9c2f24dfb@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3283467"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="OjDMvaaXMeeN/7kNOPQl+dWI+zbnIp3mGAHMVhZ2e/A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: 26080b4f8b9f153eb24ebbc1b47c4c36ee247939 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$KPfljKWv6c9nP3HfpCgU6OPKQriLujZXM46s8ReGG0CFG0.orZxUi Bytes: 5893 Lines: 94 On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 22:06:25 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: > Mr. Hertz: As you probably are aware, rational wiki is the sort of > skeptical publication that is only skeptical of alternative views and > not of mainstream views. Contrary to their report, which involves itself > in guilt by association by referring to a mythologist supporter, his > ideas are accepted by Alexander Unzicker [in his book, "The Liquid > Sun"], a reputable physicist. As you know, physics publications are > governed by a process of political censoring called the referee process > in dark back rooms. I see Prok approves of such filthy scheming > practices. Relativity has long refused to engage with critics, including > in this forum, where stonewalling tactics by stubborn dogmatists do not > convince the many skeptics who consult this forum. They would better > defend relativity by resorting to reason and ascertaining the intended > meaning in comments instead of misconstruing like an ideologue. The idea that starlight deflection when grazing Sun's surface TERRORIZE relativists since Day 1. This is the report that Eddington presented to the Royal Astronomical Society: IX. A Determination of the Deflection of Light by the Sun's Gravitational field (43 pages), from Observations made at the Total Eclipse of May 29, 1919. By Sir F. W. DYSON, F.R.S., Astronomer Royal, Prof. A. S. EDDINGTON, F.R.S., and Mr. C. DAVIDSON. (Communicated by the Joint Permanent Eclipse Committee.) Received October 30,-Read November 6, 1919. ****************************************************************** QUOTE FROM "I. PURPOSE OF THE EXPEDITIONS" (PAGE 292) It seems clear that the effect here found must be attributed to the sun's gravitational field and not, for example, to refraction by coronal matter. In order to produce the observed effect by refraction, the sun must be surrounded by material of refractive index 1.00000414/r, where r is the distance from the center in terms of the sun's radius. At a height of one radius above the surface the necessary refractive index 1.00000212 corresponds to that of air at 1/140 atmosphere, hydrogen at 1/60 atmosphere, or helium at 1/90 atmospheric pressure. Clearly a density of this order is out of the question. ***************************************************************** Of course that the IGNORANCE about the Sun in that epoch was huge, as astrophysics and Sun's physics was primitive and didn't consider the Sun's behavior as a nuclear furnace, using E=mc2. QUOTE FROM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Eddington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eddington himself developed such theories only since 1920, when he anticipated the discovery and mechanism of nuclear fusion processes in stars, in his paper "The Internal Constitution of the Stars". At that time, the source of stellar energy was a complete mystery; Eddington correctly speculated that the source was fusion of hydrogen into helium, liberating enormous energy according to Einstein's equation E = mc2. This was a particularly remarkable development since at that time fusion and thermonuclear energy, and even the fact that stars are largely composed of hydrogen (see metallicity), had not yet been discovered. --------------------------------------------------------------------- BUT, some understanding about Sun's atmosphere would take more than 45 years to be developed (around 1965), and MANY THINGS are still a mystery. I'm a believer in the phenomenon of refraction to explain starlight deflection and "gravitational lensing". I'm totally against the crap of GR and curved spacetime. This, for the record. There IS NOT A SOLID, FINAL THEORY about the internal constitution of the Sun and other stars. For instance, the phenomenon of random solar flares and Sun's spots REMAIN UNEXPLAINED. Astrophysicists can't provide ANY SOLID THEORY about the mechanisms on the Sun's surface or in the layered interior. There is A DENIAL in considering that the inner layers rotate at different rates, how many layers are, what forms the core, why so strong magnetic fields exist, why there is a difference of millions of "K in the external atmosphere, if each layer HAS UNIFORM DENSITY, the mechanisms behind solar spots, how do they interact with the inner Sun, etc. But, most relevant issue for me, is THE DENIAL about the influence of a non-homogeneous layered Sun, the solar wind and strong electromagnetic influence in the advance of Mercury's perihelion. To even consider the above is enough for any astrophysicist TO BE OUTCASTED from the community (CANCELLED).