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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Want to prove =?UTF-8?B?RT1tY8KyPyBVbml2ZXJzaXR5IGxhYnMgc2hvdWxkIHRy?= =?UTF-8?B?eSB0aGlzIQ==?= Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 18:37:40 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <ee05718ea12f5d38e4bffa92989f732d@www.novabbs.com> References: <b00a0cb305a96b0e83d493ad2d2e03e8@www.novabbs.com> <b6c06d66a1d5da3a239a49ba5f903e2e@www.novabbs.com> <3cccb55b7c7c451a385b8aad5aac6516@www.novabbs.com> <cfcd6e742c4f3c2f8a5f69d4db75206f@www.novabbs.com> <d793169808c9c1e887527df5f967c216@www.novabbs.com> <98a0a1fbdc93a5fcc108882d99718764@www.novabbs.com> <fd4937f7b180bac934eb677cca8f5c55@www.novabbs.com> <ebcad35958736e6602cf803fddfdb0fd@www.novabbs.com> <141e19a1c6acd54116739058391ca9f8@www.novabbs.com> <a4f98fa5d026bfbf5127fcbc6a585772@www.novabbs.com> <b859adf3e138697712b038bd1d73902e@www.novabbs.com> <3da6cb303f9998fa49034c557d5c314b@www.novabbs.com> <6bdb52ff942fd2465d8344d6c61488dc@www.novabbs.com> <a3c12890fdabb69ea3891b0cb506b158@www.novabbs.com> <c0b264e21841e8646f5a6d9ab1a06ccc@www.novabbs.com> <7e1b61de8c10dfacab84e6219ff3c2e6@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3388095"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="OjDMvaaXMeeN/7kNOPQl+dWI+zbnIp3mGAHMVhZ2e/A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$Ca9SBhhVxjt3wuktLvgNHuBHDJ7deJQE0FbNfPt.6ItOpdSUQqF3i X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: 26080b4f8b9f153eb24ebbc1b47c4c36ee247939 Bytes: 3424 Lines: 46 On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 17:44:28 +0000, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote: > On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 17:35:09 +0000, rhertz wrote: > >> This IS NOT the case of the cavity under discussion, because its >> temperature increase with the permanent supply of energy, until it's >> destroyed, partially or entirely. > > Why should the foil box not radiate away energy as its temperature > rises? > > Forget the innards. I don't care whether the reflectance is 0.85 or > 0.99999. Those numbers only dictate the power levels reached within > the cavity. > > What happens to the exterior surface of the box? Consider this, using the Stefan-Boltzmann law: 1) Reverse the problem: think that the inner area has spherical shape, with a radius of 5 cm. It gives A = 78.54 cm² = 0.00785 m². Now cut the cavity and spread the area in 2D. It's a planar surface. 2) Consider that such area EMITS (due to perfect reflection) 5 Watts/unit area. This would give 0.03927 W/m². You have to spread the 5W all over the surface. Dividing 5W by 0.00785 m² is INCORRECT. 3) Apply Stefan-Boltzmann law: 0.03927 W/m² = 5.67E-08 Watt/m²/K⁴ x T⁴ T⁴ = 0.03927/5.67E-08 K⁴ = 6.926E+05 K⁴ T = 28.85 K This is cold, isn't it? AGAIN: You have to consider that the entire surface (0.00785 m²) is emitting, not receiving 5 Watts/unit area. In this case, 0.00785 m² is the unit area, so such area emits 0.03927 W/m². The calculations are based on 100% reflectivity. Do you see any error in my interpretation? I just reversed the entry of power, taking it as power emitted by the reflecting surface. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.