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From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime)
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Subject: Re: Robert Creeley poem
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 13:03:07 +0000
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:49:25 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 19:39:48 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:57:09 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:53:52 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 6:41:33 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 0:04:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article.php?id=255731&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments
>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I realized from the content of NancyGene's posts that they were
>>>>>>> intelligent, well-educated, and better written than anyone here.
>>>>>>> Naturally, I asked them to start contributing to the "Sampler."  And I
>>>>>>> was right in doing so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are the opening lines of NancyGene's latest poem:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Yesterdays stack up like piles of read newspapers,
>>>>>>> Cluttering my mind and obstructing my day."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's poetry of the highest quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The opening line is very good. It's almost as good as the opening line
>>>>>> of Robert Creeleys poem, "The Days Pile Up":
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The days pile up like unread newspapers,"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do hope "Dr." NastyGoon credited Mr. Creeley; otherwise that would be
>>>>>> something they would call, you know -- "plagiarism".
>>>>>
>>>>> Ping Rachel:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the obert Creeley poem I was telling you about, the one causing
>>>>> such a ruckus here on the poetry newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's George Dance's libelous accusation of plagiarism
>>>
>>> Read the George Dance post again, he didn't make an accusation, just an
>>> observation.
>>
>> And, yes, George Dance did make the accusation:
>
> No, George Dance made the observation, see below.
>
>> "I do hope "Dr." NastyGoon credited Mr. Creeley; otherwise that would be
>> something they would call, you know -- "plagiarism"."
>>
>> --
>
> No, George Dance was saying that's what" they," Nancy Gene would call
> it.
>
> Are you just playing stupid again or is your reading comprehension
> really that poor?

How does that matter, Donkey?

If the line had been copied from Creeley with only minor modifications
(as George Dance falsely claims), posting it without crediting him
*would* be plagiarism.

It doesn't matter whether NancyGene would call it "plagiarism" if
someone else did it.  It would be an act of plagiarism regardless of
what NancyGene, or anyone else, called it.

And since George Dance titled the thread this accusation appeared in
"NastyGoon lifts a line" (FYI: That is a direct accusation that
NancyGene copied the line from Creeley), he's calling her a
plagiarist... twice.

-- Michael Pendragon

“Yes, the poem itself is based on a dress I had 43 years ago.
May 8th 1982 to be exact.” – Will “I’m a Lumberjack” Donkey

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