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From: Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 04:34:02 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Some absurd concept
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(Not honoring follow-up to a group I don't read.)

In comp.os.linux.misc, Farley Flud  <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
> Note: the "shutdown" command belongs the package "sysvinit"
> and probably has been replaced within the junk Systemd that
> has grabbed the balls of most, but not all (and certainly
> not mine), GNU/Linux distros.
> 
> As I said, I feel very sorry for the helpless distro lackey.

I've been using Linux since about the same time as you, but Unix before
then. I have systems with and without systemd and there are pluses and
minuses. 

There are cases where systemd systems can have shutdown installed
but it doesn't work. I don't recall how it happened, but I borked
something and got systemd error messages out of the shutdown command.
One I have saved (from 2016) looks like this:

# shutdown -r now
Failed to start reboot.target: Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1': timed out
See system logs and 'systemctl status reboot.target' for details.
Failed to open /dev/initctl: No such device or address
Failed to talk to init daemon.
# systemctl status reboot.target
Failed to get properties: Connection timed out
#

Not fun.

Elijah
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