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From: Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Most disappointing films.
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 08:46:06 -0800
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:59:32 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/18/2025 3:30 AM, D wrote:
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>> On Tue, 17 Feb 2025, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
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>>> In article <f0dc1e8c-b338-1261-cf4d-5ff6d5f503e4@example.net>,
>>> D=A0 <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 17 Feb 2025, William Hyde wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In a conversation the other day I came up with a list of these, and=
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>>>>> to my
>>>>> surprise they were all SF/F.
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) The Return of the Jedi
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) The Lord of the Rings (Bakshi version)
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) Dune (Lynch version).
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that I haven't seen far worse movies, but in each of these =
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>>>>> I was
>>>>> expecting something better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course other people may have different lists.=A0 And I did like =
Dune
>>>>> somewhat more the second time I saw it.
>>>>>
>>>>> William Hyde
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Dune. LOTR (b) I saw when I was 12, haven't seen it=20
>>>> since, so
>>>> cannot say. I like 1. On my list are all the new star wars movies.
>>>> Absolutely horrible! They should have let the original 3 stand, and =
not
>>>> produce prequels that dishonored the memory of hte original. =3D(
>>>
>>> Rogue One is pretty good.
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>> Maybe I shall have to look into Rogue one. Andor is pretty good. Maybe=
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>> Rogue one is too?
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>>> I actually quite enjoyed TFA, but then I didn't believe Han was
>>> actually dead (I was pretty sure that with the big build-up on Maz,
>>> her connection with the Force and having gotten a light saber
>>> possibly through teleportational menas that she was going to pull
>>> some mojo that would be revealed later.=A0 TMF me.)
>
>"Rogue One" is awesome.  It is based on the single line in the Star Wars=
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>IV movie (the first one), "Many Bothans ??? gave up their lives for this=
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>information.".

/A New Hope/ (aka Star Wars IV) came up for viewing about a week ago.
That line was not in it.

I certainly do remember it. I suspect I will hear it again when I
watch /The Return of the Jedi/ within the next week or so. In that
case, it refers to the information that the Emperor is residing on the
new Death Star and perhaps also the misinformation that that Death
Star is not operational.

Which doesn't prevent someone involved in making /Rogue One/ from
claiming that they were basing it on that line. It would, however,
show why I don't put a lot of stock in "making of" documentaries,
since it would be clearly wrong.

I saw /The Empire Strikes Back/ last night. The two-seater aircraft
(pilot and gunner, back to back) used to attack Imperial Walkers
towards the start of the film are "Rogue 2", Rogue 3", and Rogue 4",
per the credits not just on IMDb but shown on the film itself --
which, BTW, is the original unaltered LD version Lucas grudgingly
allowed to be put out on an extras disk. Hey, at least it letterboxed!
No "Rogue 1" is listed, but then, that call sign was no doubt retired
after the events in /Rogue One/.
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"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"