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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Is Curved Space An Improvement Over The Use of the Concept of =?UTF-8?B?Rm9yY2VzPw==?= Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 21:12:06 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <f20677543ecf2a3d4b5e2b20dea554b4@www.novabbs.com> References: <1faa69846c0c2c810b1d0e04143399cd@www.novabbs.com> <139e5148ed64d73023c6fe30c51b957b@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3404867"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="HcQFdl4zp4UQRQ9N18ivMn6Fl9V8n4SPkK4oZHLgYdQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$9XFeg6F/Gb.bFvvVodw8Q.nPliCxsBBwAwfxVj/g0L74LHx00MtsS X-Rslight-Posting-User: a2f761a7401f13abeefca3440f16b2f27b708180 Bytes: 2741 Lines: 37 On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 7:50:42 +0000, ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog wrote: > On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 23:48:09 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote: > >> Is Curved Space An Improvement Over The Use of the Concept of Forces? > No. The historical issue of the problems with the concept of force has not been addressed by the concept of curved space. Curved spacetime or curved space does not provide a causative mechanism better than the concept of forces. It provides none at all. > Is spacetime really curved? Space is not curved. That is purely a reification fallacy. Spacetime is a non-Euclidean fiction. > 1) Is it possible to represent general relativity in terms of flat > spacetime? > The flat spacetime paradigm posits that matter creates a gravitational > field that causes rulers to shrink when they are turned from > circumferential orientation to radial, and that causes the ticking > rates of clocks to dilate. The flat spacetime paradigm is fully > equivalent to the curved spacetime paradigm in that they both > represent the same physical phenomena. Newtonian "flat" Euclidean space does not involve rulers shrinking or length contraction, which is merely a reification fallacy. It does not involve time dilation, which is pure fiction because there is no force common to all processes such that changes in it can cause all rates of change to change in unison. Ross said: "The space-time curvature is a mere mental model to effect to reflect a milieu of "gravity" in a theory with massy bodies and a universal law of gravitation." Mild Shock said: "Issac Newton: If a thing isn't moving, then it probably won't move unless something moves it"