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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups: sci.logic
Subject: Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 18:22:04 -0400
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On 7/6/24 6:08 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 7/6/2024 4:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 7/6/24 4:48 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2024 3:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 7/6/24 3:35 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You have ignored my reference to a book that was classified
>>>>> by the Library of Congress as possibly true that says anyone
>>>>> reading this book *is* the one and only creator of the universe.
>>>>
>>>> The Library of Congress makes no such determinations. The authors 
>>>> provide the classifications.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What is your source of this, I found a source that seem to conflict.
>>> https://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/lcc/PDFs%20of%20slides/12-3%20handout.pdf
>>
>> So, what page takes about the classificaiton of the type of material.
>>
>> That who document is about assigning "Literary Author Numbers"
>>
>>>
>>>> The fact that such a statement is a logical impossiblity if one 
>>>> accepts that there is a shared reality (as that realith existed 
>>>> before the reader did) makes it absurd.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes and when one accept that numbers do not exist it
>>> logically follows that there is no such thing as arithmetic.
>>
>> So, you really think that is a correct model of reality?
>>
> 
> I hypothesize possibilities. You pick one guess that you are
> right and close your mind.

But you choose poorly and pick ones that can't be because they are 
inconsistant.

> 
>> Pity you.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Anyone seeking the truth cannot simply ignore that*
>>>>> You have not seen this actual book, yet I have several copies.
>>>>
>>>> You would, and it fits in your pattern of logic.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> comes time for the judgement of your life, you will be found 
>>>>>>>> lacking in the faith needed to redeam you from your failings, 
>>>>>>>> and thus spend your eternity seperated from him, in the place, 
>>>>>>>> best described in human terms, as the eternal fires of Hell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Faith is not the same thing as the mere presumption that
>>>>>>> beliefs often are. Faith is the substance of things hoped for
>>>>>>> not the presumption that we are correct thus others are wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, but since you do not have a faith in the actual creator of 
>>>>>> the universe, you are unable to avail yourself of his grace to let 
>>>>>> you have the relationship you need with him, so will forever be 
>>>>>> outside of him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may not belevie that now, but if you honestly look at the 
>>>>>> outcome of your beliefs and your life, you should be able to see 
>>>>>> that they don't have any better foundation. I KNOW that what I 
>>>>>> believe is true, because I have put it to the test, and he has 
>>>>>> proven himself faithful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are not convinced, which is the more likely origin of the 
>>>>>>>> world, and which decision has the more impact on what you should 
>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am testing the hypothesis that I was deceived by Satan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every translation of the bible agrees that God himself would
>>>>>>> be this deceiver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them 
>>>>>>> to believe what is false,
>>>>>>> https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Thessalonians%202:11
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the context. Man because of our sin, can not directly see God 
>>>>>> at work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That the bible says God himself would send a delusion cannot
>>>>> possibly have any context where God himself is not a deceiver.
>>>>> That every translation agrees is strong evidence that it is not
>>>>> a translation error.
>>>>
>>>> But if you look at the context, the delusion is the delusion created 
>>>> by ones own denial of the law of God, so he sends them what they 
>>>> wanted, by their own choice, so God is not "a deceiver" but only 
>>>> allows people who have chosen to be decieved to be deceived.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He has abolished the law with its commandments and
>>> ordinances, so that he might create in himself one
>>> new humanity in place of the two, thus making peace,
>>> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+2%3A15&version=NRSVA
>>
>> But From Matthew 5:17-18 not one piece of the law has passed away.
>>
> Until Christ died on the cross.

Not what he said.

Till the heavens and Earth disappear.

> 
>> So, only those that have been made "new" have had that law abolished.
>>
>> Remember, you are quoting a message to those that were saved, to those 
>> that still were lost.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have ALWAYS only wanted what-ever the truth turns out to be
>>>>>>> even if everyone in the universe disagrees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you ignore that truth when it shows itself to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *THE TRUTH OF THIS SEEMS INFALLIBLY CORRECT*
>>>>>>> That every expression of language that is {true on the basis of
>>>>>>> its meaning expressed using language} must have a connection by
>>>>>>> truth preserving operations to its {meaning expressed using 
>>>>>>> language}
>>>>>>> is a tautology. The accurate model of the actual world is expressed
>>>>>>> using formal language and formalized natural language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Meaning that all of math and logic that disagrees are WRONG*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, that is just your own deception. The human use of language 
>>>>>> just isn't that good and has flaws in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> My system does not get stuck like the Tarski system.
>>>>> As you already know there cannot possibly be any sequence
>>>>> of truth preserving operations to LP or ~LP proves that
>>>>> my system overcomes Tarski's proof.
>>>>
>>>> So, what is the value of True(L, x) where x in L is the statement
>>>> ~True(L,x)
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is simply the Prolog model where true
>>> means provable and false means not provable.
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