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From: mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1)
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Subject: Re: Is Intel exceptionally unsuccessful as an architecture
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 7:57:35 +0000, Michael S wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:48:56 +0000
> mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) wrote:
>>
>> Engineering costs were at least 200 engineers for 2 decades at
>> approximately $200K/engineer/year. ½ salary ½ SW+HW+overhead.
>> This turn out to be $0.8B sales costs would be extra.
>>
>
> Why would they need 200 engineers before 1998?
> Or after 2010?
> Why would they need more than 2-3 engineers after 2012?

A friend of mine worked on ITanic in Longmount Co and related the
size of the team. He worked there from about 1995-2019.

And my numbers did not include the software engineers on the project.

>> Did they sell $1B of these things ??
>>
>
> I don't know, but would think that the answer is yes.
>
> In the best years (2007-2008) HP sold approximately 75K Itanium boxen
> per year. Assuming an average of 3 CPUs per box and 3.5K USD per CPU
> that gives 0.79 B/y. For the rest of IPF life they were selling
> significantly less, but still selling something.
> And there were other vendors beyond HP, although nearly all of them
> jumped ship before 2008.

To make "real" money MFG costs have to be less than ¼ sales price.
Somebody has to "Pay for * the FAB".

And it always bothered me that companies spend $1B+ to make a
FAB that produces $0.50 parts that go in $1.00 packages made
in a factory costing $50M, with $0.25 test costs.


(*) that part of the FAB capacity they occupy.