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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information. Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 12:55:43 +0200 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <f6ijflxv2d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> References: <vvnvto$3kd3i$1@dont-email.me> <vvo0k4$3kq8j$1@dont-email.me> <vvo5gv$3lr47$1@dont-email.me> <rf8v1klb6d9djefqfr2e2g8f9k3lgotka2@4ax.com> <n-q*qgicA@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> <vvtium$18vkn$1@dont-email.me> <vvtovo$1a4th$1@dont-email.me> <WLHUP.255339$v2h6.142714@fx14.iad> <vvvm80$1sf5m$1@dont-email.me> <kB1VP.48755$JRnc.12987@fx37.iad> <0l6fflx9t.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10040vj$302p5$1@dont-email.me> <4osgflxtup.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <jaac2k937bbjk90eidfsunt38raj9fkm42@4ax.com> <1005ioj$3ae76$1@dont-email.me> <1rcf02s.ms3pru17wmqoN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 7HX/FX+ih3Wk5BvkzyoRMQh/t4WcNs1qWzBTkQ7C/zFJIrNL4r X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZKgk7ZqHZpfZWcs0nT3+4itkn2A= sha256:vDPm41MygVLofmcUI7zLspuNH2XnND23lt4m9aBuvzk= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: <1rcf02s.ms3pru17wmqoN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> Bytes: 2910 On 2025-05-16 08:23, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: > >> On 16/05/2025 3:51 am, john larkin wrote: >>> On Thu, 15 May 2025 12:37:24 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-05-15 08:18, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>> On 15/05/2025 5:14 am, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> On 2025-05-14 16:16, Glen Walpert wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 07:50:36 -0700, Don Y wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/13/2025 6:26 AM, Glen Walpert wrote: >> >>>> Another very wild idea was increasing the frequency to around 600Hz. It >>>> would make transformers and all coiled things smaller. Planes do this. >>>> Possibly would also radiate more. And would not help with control. >>> >>> But our clocks would run ten times faster. >>> >>> And everything would hum. >> >> This doesn't happen in aircraft. > > The ambient noise level in an aeroplane is much higher than in a house > on a quiet night. (Also, look up Fletcher-Munson curves to see why 600 > c/s would be a lot worse than 50 or 60 c/s.) > > Alternators for 600 c/s are feasible at a few kW in aircraft but they > are difficult to scale up to power station size. > > Another problem with large-scale distribution at 600 c/s would be the > inductive reactance of cross-country power lines and the need for > special alloys and thin laminations to reduce core-losses in > transformers. Ah. I see. Interesting. :-9 -- Cheers, Carlos.