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From: Jdchase310@gmail.com (Jordy)
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Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:13:14 +0000
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On Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:54:19 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 21:04:26 +0000, Jordy wrote:
>
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 5:10:07 +0000, Jordy wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 4:59:41 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good choice, Jordy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The History of Modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Watson seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have gotten most of his information) about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement that took off around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> form can be traced back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt" aka "Free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versers".
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous poets of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhythm/, that is [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new poets, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and vers librists, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they championed the rise of free verse, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there were other distinctive factions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> during 1910-1917 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all fit under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Aldington
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amy Lowell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vacel Lindsay
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry Kemp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Evans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allen Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Louise Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>> H.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mina Loy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Carlos Williams
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alfred Kreymborg
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ping: Jordy:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm reading of another from that great generation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> poets, Octavio Paz:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once"a man for far too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and countrymen. Among other things..."
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Will
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great to see you, my friend.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bonjour Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello there my friend, great to see you again tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hola Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao Will
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello again my friend.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a response to the post seen at:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660625304#660625304
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>        Shalom Will
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good morning again my friend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        Bonjour Will
>>>
>>> Great to see you again today, Jordy.
>>
>>         Hola Mr Will
>
> Good afternoon again my friend.

     Ciao Will

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