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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: tomyee3@gmail.com (ProkaryoticCaspaseHomolog) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Relativity is a pseudoscience II. The Hafele-Keating HOAX, Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:26:38 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <f894e2bbec8c31e016c67b68ae00a331@www.novabbs.com> References: <dad338831baa98f3eb1ca50452fd9401@www.novabbs.com> <394e847c937d1159f09ae76fc6bf4402@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2475043"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="ovbq/l84ala/wLhXSqScU9GOSIzjukMrxJB27Aq7eyg"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$33TpfTdtxgbzsx0bhiSM8uaMjEo30gQK7SfLY9Lt9Brk2R71uInra X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: c1a997029c70f718720f72156b7d7f56416caf7c Bytes: 2765 Lines: 34 On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 2:15:52 +0000, rhertz wrote: > http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/HK50/ > > 50th Anniversary of 1971 Hafele-Keating Experiment > 04-Oct-2021 > > NOTE: OBSERVE THE COUNTER LOCATED ABOVE BOTH CLOCKS IN THE PHOTO. IT'S > AN HP COUNTER/FREQ. METER, NOT ABLE TO MEASURE ABOVE 100 MHZ OR BELOW 1 > uSec (first and third photo). It doesn't work to measure nanoseconds. As a EE, you should immediately have been able to think of a variety of methods whereby H&K could have performed their inter-clock comparisons to sub-nanosecond accuracy. I presume that their clocks had a variety of outputs. Today's clocks might typically have a 1 PPS output, as well as 1 MHz, 5 MHz and 10 MHz sine wave outputs. The first thing that I can think of would be to use an external time interval counter. I would connect the TIC to both clocks' 1 PPS outputs, and it will measure the time difference between the outputs to sub-nanosecond accuracy. Since the TIC is triggered by the edges of the output signals, its precision will be much greater than what the clock readouts can show. A second thing that I might try would be to use a phase detector to measure the phase difference between the clock outputs. The phase shift of the signal can be translated into a time difference. For example, a 3.6 degree phase shift between two 10 MHz clock outputs would correspond to a time difference of 1 ns. I'm sure that you can quickly think of other methods of performing the inter-comparisons. Which method did H&K use? They didn't specify in their two Science papers, but they would certainly have expected that any "person skilled in the art" (PSITA) could figure things out if they wanted to repeat the experiment.