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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: ChatGPT refutes the key rebuttal of my work
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 07:35:06 -0400
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On 10/14/24 10:13 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 10/14/2024 6:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 10/14/24 11:18 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2024 7:06 AM, joes wrote:
>>>> Am Mon, 14 Oct 2024 04:49:22 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>> On 10/14/2024 4:04 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-13 12:53:12 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although it is possible for LLM systems to lie:
>>>>
>>>>>>> ChatGPT does correctly apply truth preserving operations to the
>>>>>>> premises that it was provided regarding the behavior of DDD and HHH.
>>>>>>> *Try to find a mistake in its reasoning*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No reasoning shown.
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e
>>>>> When you click on the link and try to explain how HHH must be wrong 
>>>>> when
>>>>> it reports that DDD does not terminate because DDD does terminate it
>>>>> will explain your mistake to you.
>>>> It is nonsensical for HHH not to report that DDD terminates.
>>>>
>>> The explanation is quite good. I will take what you said
>>> to mean that it was over your head or didn't bother to
>>> look at it.
>>>
>>> You never confirmed that you even know what infinite
>>> recursion is.
>>>
>>
>> No, he means your argument is just non-sense, and it is just a 
>> blantant lie that you put forwards because you just don't understand 
>> what you are talking about.,
> 
> In other words you coward away from trying to convince
> ChatGPT that is is incorrect.

What do you mean. With one statement I got it to admit that the ACTUAL 
behavior of DDD was to halt.

> 
> Since you say that it is a YES man it should be easy
> for you to get it to admit that it is wrong.
> 

Which I did,

> https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e
> 
> When you click on the link and try to explain how HHH must
> be wrong when it reports that DDD does not terminate because
> DDD does terminate it will explain your mistake to you.
> 

I did that, and it admitted that DDD halts, it just tries to justify why 
a wrong answer must be right.

I don't need to convince it otherwise, as the objective was reached.


Why don't you go and try to explain to all the electiond deniers and 
climate change deniers that they are wrong. Because people, just like 
AIs, can be suborn, and that is exactly what YOU are.

Sorry, you are just proving how stupid your position is, that you base 
your worth on what an AI that you have feed your lies to says. Sorry, 
you have sealed your doom.