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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: What is the best way for termination analyzers to handle pathological inputs? Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 14:53:47 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <f901f7cb6bb240e46f2f64f93f3571ccfe8b90d2@i2pn2.org> References: <1027isi$on4i$1@dont-email.me> <1028n53$1440t$1@dont-email.me> <1029pla$1ah2f$15@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 18:53:48 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="4142857"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <1029pla$1ah2f$15@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 On 6/10/25 1:22 PM, olcott wrote: > On 6/10/2025 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2025-06-09 21:14:58 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> The official "received view" of this is that the best >>> we can possibly do is to do nothing and give up. >> >> There is no official view about "the best". What is the best >> depends on what one needs and wants. Some may think that the >> best they can do is to waste their life in trying to do the >> impossible. >> > > It is not at all impossible to create a termination > analyzer that reports on the behavior specified > by the input to HHH(DDD). It was never correct to > define a termination analyzer any other way. > Right, it is just a fact that it is impossible for HHH to be shuch a analyzer. A CORRECT Temrination analyzer of the input to HHH(DDD), that is to the termination analysis of DDD, is to say it halts, since the HHH(DDD) that DDD will call will return non-halting to that DDD, and it will then halt.