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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com (LDagget) Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: A chat with AI on OoL Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:25:30 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <faeba487b1b821647cb3727b98f1ac09@www.novabbs.com> References: <vjb8v7$1dedq$1@dont-email.me> <vjjt0b$1cp$2@dont-email.me> <c2d63ea59806a632bc3c40acef6b2c91@www.novabbs.com> <vjkb0q$s6u8$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="67638"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Rocksolid Light To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: <news@i2pn2.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 8587C229782; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:31:06 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AE3A229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 11:31:04 -0500 (EST) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTP id 4BEGUxh0763002 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 17:30:59 +0100 id CEAC1598040; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:30:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Injection-Info: ; posting-account="fegc7bsF1eMdQ+K4/V59MDLZ0W7qYnKpXoBXaiJNWpk"; X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$7rbrdYAIWNNlRkX6UlRU3Or1lVWsSgt85RcCuf0/YUlDGwANKCNw2 X-Rslight-Posting-User: e316cd0a5543fde25fc288f0018b16e943af38c6 Bytes: 2911 Lines: 26 On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:16:28 +0000, DB Cates wrote: > On 2024-12-14 9:41 a.m., LDagget wrote: >> On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 12:17:15 +0000, MarkE wrote: >> >>> Whatever the future is with AI, in this example it was able to provide >>> responses that are paradigm beyond a concerted googling effort in terms >>> relevance, conciseness and presentation. >> >> >> That sentence is typical of an AI composition in how it >> uses words without understanding them. I point in particular >> to the odd use of paradigm. >> >> An AI will present familiar sounding verbiage, but it's often >> nonsense to those who actually understand. And it isn't your >> friend because it won't help you to actually understand. I >> grant it is better at making people *think* they understand >> because it doesn't have as many seemingly awkward bits that >> are the part where you are supposed to have to think hard. >> > And now that nonsensical use of 'paradigm' is part of the training data > for many LLMs. Sigh Now consider how LLMs use Cognitive Dissonance, as opposed to its meaning as coined. If only LLMs could feel pain.