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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!news.neodome.net!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 04:08:23 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <fb8fe7730ca8c865216d71dfe787aeb7@www.novabbs.com> References: <GBEGTHyJnMpjHuJ0IoZO0OLSc1M@jntp> <0b2ff7832787b9d3165d93803b09df8f@www.novabbs.com> <74ipUL6JcQu72w-mbGQ7BbVp7kU@jntp> <cda33e42de10aeee9283e500b47a63f9@www.novabbs.com> <AE2L2lzGJn13Z_4dg3bpJC59QsA@jntp> <66b3d79f$0$3656$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <dlVAS4dgp1D4i_LVHm3d5U9hqow@jntp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1836037"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="p+/k+WRPC4XqxRx3JUZcWF5fRnK/u/hzv6aL21GRPZM"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: 47dad9ee83da8658a9a980eb24d2d25075d9b155 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$A.kyutVVnOlMsd8DBiJ1w.ygRbAMyMMTAa17RL6KxThwvkjHaoIeK X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2439 Lines: 28 On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 21:28:27 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote: > > The big problem with relativity is the almost complete absence > of clear concepts. > There is no need to talk about transverse mass, longitudinal > mass, and other such joys. You do like Hachel, you keep it > simple, and, like Hercule Poirot, you turn on your neurons. > "Mass is a relativistic invariant". > Mass is what it is, like a postage stamp is a postage stamp. > All the bullshit of the relativists only obscures human knowledge, > deflects it, and does not take it further. Physicists maintain that mass is invariant, so you're preaching to the choir. This was maintained in physics textbooks 60 years ago. > I will never understand all this madness. Knowledge doesn't spring on the scene fully fleshed out. It comes little by little, here a little, there a little. > It is not mass that is relative, but speed, THEREFORE the quantity > of movement, therefore energy. > The notion of rest mass is useless at all, except to make physicists > look like Laurel and Hardy type comedians. You're looking back on an earlier era that hadn't learned what we know today. Have some humility, because people a century from now will look back at us and laugh.