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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2025 12:18:33 +0000
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On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 12:42:03 +0000, Jordy wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 5:10:07 +0000, Jordy wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 4:59:41 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good choice, Jordy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The History of Modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Watson seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have gotten most of his information) about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement that took off around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form can be traced back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt" aka "Free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versers".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous poets of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhythm/, that is [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new poets, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and vers librists, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they championed the rise of free verse, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there were other distinctive factions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during 1910-1917 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all fit under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Aldington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amy Lowell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vacel Lindsay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry Kemp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Evans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allen Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Louise Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mina Loy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Carlos Williams
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alfred Kreymborg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ping: Jordy:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm reading of another from that great generation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poets, Octavio Paz:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once"a man for far too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and countrymen. Among other things..."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Will
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great to see you, my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bonjour Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello there my friend, great to see you again tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hola Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao Will
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello again my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a response to the post seen at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660625304#660625304
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Shalom Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning again my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Bonjour Will
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great to see you again today, Jordy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         Hola Mr Will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Ciao Will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great to see your again my friend.
>>>>>
>>>>>        Shalom Will
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Hello there my friend
>>>
>>>         Bonjour Will
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Good afternoon again Jordy.
>
>        Hola Will
>
> --

Great to see you again this morning my friend.