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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:59:48 +0000
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 20:43:32 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:08:03 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 16:43:16 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 15:55:06 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 21:55:28 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 14:29:07 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain aka
>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 18:01:42 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 17:56:41 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain aka
>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 17:42:27 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> MummyChunk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, monkey boy Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just curious.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem with you is that you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael
>>>>>>>>> Pendragon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That simply isn't true
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I don't expect you to admit it, Pendragon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know the rules, Donkey: PPSFU (Post Proof or Shut the Fuck Up).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any so-called "misrepresentation" you can find was based on one of
>>>>>> *your* posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, so HarryLiar wants proof? Let's look at his next paragraph:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I only know you from what you post here, Donkey.  If you write a poem
>>>>>> based on a "romantic interlude" where you grope a woman you barely knew,
>>>>>> then I'm going to say that you sexually assaulted her (because according
>>>>>> to your poem, that's exactly what you did).
>>>>>
>>>>> Harry Liar reposted an "edited" poem Will had written over 40 years ago
>>>>> about a dream he'd had. You reposted part of the poem, snipping the line
>>>>> about it being a dream, to falsely accuse him of sexual assault.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the thread, so readers can see for themselves:
>>>>> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=15788&group=rec.arts.poems#15788
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, George.
>>>>
>>>> I see that Harry Lime aka Michael Pendragon is bringing his attacks on
>>>> me here, spreading his lies and misrepresentations.
>>>>
>>>> Never mind the Harry Lime bullocks, here's the original unedited version
>>>> so the readers can decide for
>>>> themselves:
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I Met A Girl
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I met a girl
>>>>>>>>>> she came from California.
>>>>>>>>>> It was in a dream
>>>>>>>>>> we knew each other instantly.
>>>>>>>>>> She was a little freckled girl
>>>>>>>>>> from out of
>>>>>>>>>> my high school past.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>> I've forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We talked
>>>>>>>>>> a really detached situation.
>>>>>>>>>> She said years ago
>>>>>>>>>> I was so shy
>>>>>>>>>> she thought I was gay.
>>>>>>>>>> At this point I kissed her
>>>>>>>>>> and put my finger to her hole.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me
>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey.
>>>>>>>>>> I have forgotten her name
>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know why it was
>>>>>>>>>> that I would think of her.
>>>>>>>>>> I made a couple of puns
>>>>>>>>>> about her name that made me blush.
>>>>>>>>>> But her softness in tone
>>>>>>>>>> made me feel all right.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All I want to do
>>>>>>>>>> is get in contact.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982
>>>>
>>>> ***
>>>>
>>>> Again, this poem was written in 1982, during my time in the Atlanta
>>>> Georgia New Wave punk rock scene, while also influenced by the earlier
>>>> Beatnik poets
>>>> I was reading at the time, such as Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac and
>>>> Charles Bukowski among others.
>>>>
>>>> Both styles employed a sort of crude swagger in the tone and content
>>>> which I also used in many of my poems.
>>>>
>>>> Again, all apologies to those offended.
>>>>
>>>> HTH and HAND, again.
>>>>
>>>> 😏
>>>
>>> And again, the poem is your attempt to recast what can only be seen as
>>> an act of  sexual assault (at least insofar as it's depicted in your
>>> poem) as a "romantic interlude" from you past.
>>
>> No, that's your attempt to misrepresent the meaning of my poem.
>>
>> HTH and HAND.
>
> The meaning of your poem (or any given poem) is derived from the words
> that comprise it.
>
> The meaning of your poem is quite clear.  It's just not the meaning
> you'd intended it to have.
>
> --

That's your opinion, Harry.

Others, including myself and George Dance, don't agree.

HTH and HAND.