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From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz)
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Subject: Re: Electron size, shape and spin.Confusion and conflicts with Einstein's
 1905 SR.
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 22:17:38 +0000
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 19:43:45 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

> Den 21.03.2025 00:33, skrev rhertz:
>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 21:24:30 +0000, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> Den 19.03.2025 22:38, skrev rhertz:
>>>
>>> A normal clock with rate as defined by SI which is in GPS orbit
>>> will according to GR measure a solar day to be
>>>    86400*(1+4.4647e-10) s = 86400s + 38.575μs
>>>
>
> Note this!
> A normal clock in GPS orbit will measure the duration of
> one solar day to be  86400 s + 38.575 μs
> These are seconds as defined by SI.
>
> A clock on the ground will measure the duration of one day
> to be 86400 s.
> These are seconds as defined by SI.
>
> You must have a serious reading comprehension problem since
> you you missed this _very essential_ point!
>
>>>
>>> Your blunder was that you didn't realise that a "day" measured
>>> by the clock in the SV is 38.575μs longer that a day measured by
>>> a clock on the ground. This is THE central point.
>
> And you repeat the blunder! ROFL
>
>>>
>>> In a real GPS satellite the reference oscillator is adjusted down
>>> by the factor (1-4.4647e-10) so it will measure the number of second
>>> during a solar day to be (86400s + 38.575μs)*(1-4.4647e-10) = 86400s
>>>
>>> So it will stay in sync with the ground clock.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clock on Earth station: accumulates 883,872,000,000 pulses in 86400 sec
>>>> (1 day).
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clock on GPS SV: accumulates 883,871,999,605 pulses in 86400 sec (1
>>>> day).
>>>
>>> It accumulates 883872000000 pulses in (86400s + 38.575μs) (1 day)
>>>
>
>
>> Nice analysis, Paul. Well redacted and with many details.
>
> If you had read it, you wouldn't have made a fool of yourself. Again!
>
>>
>> Only THAT YOU FUCKED IT UP, AS YOU USUALLY DO!
>>
>>
>> The master TCXO clock on the GPS SV have (according to the narrative of
>> 1977 relativists), TWO OPERATING MODES:
>>
>> M1: Working at 10,230,000.000000 Hz (as good physics dictates)
>> M2: Working at 10,229,999.995430 Hz (as relativists claim it to be
>> necessary)
>>
>>
>> Your BLUNDER is that working in M2, the onboard counter has LESS COUNTS,
>> NOT MORE, after the 86,400 sec/day.
>
> As I explained it in the posting you now are responding to,
> the adjusted clock will tick out 84400 shorted seconds
> during one day which is (86400s + 38.575μs).
>
> This means that it will stay in sync with the clock on the ground.
>
>>
>> So, your count is incorrect.
>>
>>
>> Clock on Earth station: accumulates 883,872,000,000 pulses in 86400 sec.
>>
>> Working on M2 mode, clock on the GPS SV accumulates 883,871,999,608
>> pulses in 86400 sec. as measured IN THE SV. So, the count gives (86400s
>> - 38.575μs). It's a LOWER LOCAL VALUE within the GPS SV.
>>
>>
>> What relativists claim, because they are IDIOTS, is that such difference
>> DISAPPEAR IN THIN AIR when PERCEIVED FROM EARTH (Ground level). And they
>> celebrate that due to relativistic corrections, the L1 frequency REACHES
>> EARTH with an increase in frequency of Δf/f = -4.4647E-10.
>>
>> Such relativistic correction, idiots claim, allow that the L1 carrier
>> emitted from the SV at 1,575,419,999.29622 Hz COULD REACH EARTH AT
>> EXACTLY
>> 1,575,420,000.000 Hz = 154 x 10,230,000.000000 Hz.
>
> You still don't get it, do you?
>
> The frequency of the transmitted L1 is 1575.4199992966223 MHz.
> During one day, which in the satellite is 86400.000038575 s,
> the number of transmitted cycles is:
>    1575419999.2966223*86400.000038575 = 136116288000000 cycles
>
> These cycles are reaching the ground during one day, which on
> the ground is 86400 s. This means that the frequency on the ground
> is 136116288000000/86400s = 1575420000.0 Hz = 1575.42 MHz
>
> All the pulses that are emitted during one day, are reaching
> the ground during one day. No pulses DISAPPEAR IN THIN AIR.
>
>>
>> Is that clear enough? The act of detuning the SV TCXO causes a LOSS OF
>> 38.5 usec
>
> In the following an "SI-clock" is a clock which counts seconds as
> defined by SI.
>
> Read this:
> ------------
> GR predicts that an SI-clock on the geoid will measure a mean solar day
> to last the proper time 86400 s
>
> GR predicts that an SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure a mean solar day
> to last the proper time 86400*(1 + 4.4647e-10)s = 86400.000038575 s
>
> If you knew this, then all the mysteries that confuse you so
> much will go away. But you will never learn.
>
> You can kick and scream and curse as much as you want, it is a fact
> that this is what GR predicts.
>
> As you know was this prediction of GR confirmed for the first time
> in 1977, and in the 48 years since then it is confirmed many thousands
> times every day, by the simple fact that the GPS works.
>
>
>> on the orbiting clock. But FROM EARTH, it's perceived AS IF THAT
>> DIFFERENCE HAS BEEN CANCELLED, because Schwarzschild advised so.
>
> You don't know what the Schwarzschild metric predicts.
>
> I do: https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf
>
>>
>> Don't be confused about the values of time and frequency. Two sides of
>> the same coin.
>>
>>
>> Which is the truth? Relativity IS FALSE, A FALLACIOUS PSEUDOSCIENCE, AND
>> THE ORBITING CLOCK WORKS ONLY IN THE M1 MODE.
>>
>> Or, as Maciej always say, t'=t.
>
> And you agree with the smart guy Maciej?
>
> You must be right, then. ROFL
>
>>
>> Please, hold on with your butthurt, or try some cream to easy the pain.
>
> It is not my butt that hurts. It is my stomach.


Imbecile, to fulfill the prophecy of your cretin pagan god, the GPS SV
clock has to be switched to the M2 frequency BEING IN ORBIT, in order to
the L1 carrier be BLUESHIFTED when it reaches ground level (on any GPS
receiver). THIS. PLUS the compensation for SR effects (which were never
accounted by any of you two, idiot clones).

If M2 mode is switched ON before launch, the master frequency would be
LOWER than 10.23 Mhz while orbiting (REDSHIFTING). So, when associated
L1 carrier that is generated while in orbit reach ground level, it would
suffer BLUESHIFTING, compensating for your alleged GR correction. It
would INVALIDATE the change to M2 frequency PRIOR TO LAUNCHING. Then,
when is the SV clock switched to M2?

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