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From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Teilhard de Chardin - new documentary
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On Sun, 19 May 2024 13:09:51 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

>Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 17:17:44 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2024-05-18 3:54 PM, erik simpson wrote:
>>>> On 5/18/24 11:24 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>> Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> (RNS) - In the history of the Catholic Church, too many innovative
>>>>>> thinkers were persecuted before they were accepted and then embraced
>>>>>> by the church.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The list includes St. Thomas Aquinas (whose books were burned by the
>>>>>> bishop of Paris), St. Ignatius Loyola (who was investigated by the
>>>>>> Spanish Inquisition) and St. Mary MacKillop (an Australian nun who was
>>>>>> excommunicated by her bishop for uncovering and reporting clergy child
>>>>>> sex abuse).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's not surprising, then, that a French Jesuit scientist, Pierre
>>>>>> Teilhard de Chardin, who tried to bridge the gap between faith and
>>>>>> science, got himself in trouble with church officials and his Jesuit
>>>>>> superiors in the 20th century. Only after his death was he recognized
>>>>>> as the inspired genius that he was.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> His story is magnificently told in a new PBS documentary, "Teilhard:
>>>>>> Visionary Scientist," which was produced by Frank Frost Productions in
>>>>>> a 13-year labor of love. It took Frank and Mary Frost to four
>>>>>> countries on three continents, a total of 25 locations, and included
>>>>>> more than 35 interviews.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [?]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Teilhard: Visionary Scientist" will premiere on Maryland Public
>>>>>> Television on May 19 and be available for national and international
>>>>>> streaming for two years, beginning on May 20, on the free PBS app.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2024/05/13/pierre-teilhard-de-chardin-pbs-documentary-247920
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Will this awkwardness be included in the magnificent retelling?:
>>>>> ?Teilhard has been criticized as incorporating common notions of Social
>>>>> Darwinism [sic] and scientific racism into his work, along with 
>>>>> support for
>>>>> eugenics,[41] Teilhard sharply criticized the idea of racial equality,
>>>>> saying in 1929: "Do the yellows?[the Chinese]?have the same human 
>>>>> value as
>>>>> the whites? [Fr.] Licent and many missionaries say that their present
>>>>> inferiority is due to their long history of Paganism. I'm afraid that 
>>>>> this
>>>>> is only a 'declaration of pastors.' Instead, the cause seems to be the
>>>>> natural racial foundation?"[41] Too, he said in 1936, "As not all ethnic
>>>>> groups have the same value, they must be dominated, which does not mean
>>>>> they must be despised?quite the reverse?In other words, at one and the 
>>>>> same
>>>>> time there should be official recognition of: (1) the primacy/priority of
>>>>> the earth over nations; (2) the inequality of peoples and races."[41] And
>>>>> around 1937, he said, "What fundamental attitude?should the advancing 
>>>>> wing
>>>>> of humanity take to fixed or definitely unprogressive ethnical groups? 
>>>>> The
>>>>> earth is a closed and limited surface. To what extent should it tolerate,
>>>>> racially or nationally, areas of lesser activity? More generally 
>>>>> still, how
>>>>> should we judge the efforts we lavish in all kinds of hospitals on saving
>>>>> what is so often no more than one of life?s rejects??To what extent 
>>>>> should
>>>>> not the development of the strong?take precedence over the 
>>>>> preservation of
>>>>> the weak?"[41]
>>>>> In 1951, Teilhard continued to argue for racial and individual eugenics,
>>>>> and wrote a strongly worded criticism of the United Nations 
>>>>> declaration of
>>>>> the Equality of Races. He continued to argue for eugenics as late as 
>>>>> 1953,
>>>>> two years before his death.[41] Nevertheless, he has also been 
>>>>> defended by
>>>>> theologian John F. Haught.[42][43]?
>>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/teilhard-eugenics
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://ejournals.bc.edu/index.php/ctsa/article/view/11473/9623
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> These views were (or should have been) anachronistic circa 1950, 
>>>> although many still subscribe to the notion.  That said, I'm impatient 
>>>> with "cancellation" of figures from the past for holding views that were 
>>>> "common knowledge" at the time.  Very few people in the 19th century 
>>>> would escape being called racist by modern standards.  There is such a 
>>>> thing as progress, even if it's not always obvious.
>>>> 
>>> I don't think calling for avoiding hagiography is the same as calling 
>>> for "cancelling".
>>> -- 
>> 
>> If a documentary were to be made about Darwin and did not refer to the
>> fact that some people [1] claim that he was racist and eugenicist,
>> even an encouragement to Naziism, would you regard that as
>> hagiography?
>> 
>> 
>> [1] Some people NOT including me.
>> 
>Julian Huxley, who just happened to write an intro to Teilhard's *The
>Phenomenon of Man*, was kinda into eugenics:
>
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4366572/
>
>Oh: https://fore.yale.edu/files/79-teilhard_and_huxley.pdf
>
>One of my personal heroes Ernst Mayr dipped his own toes into the eugenic
>stream himself:
>
>https://digirepo.nlm.nih.gov/ext/document/101584582X183/PDF/101584582X183.pdf
>
>From: https://collections.nlm.nih.gov/catalog/nlm:nlmuid-101584582X183-doc

WOW, some of your heroes were less than perfect beings … who'da thunk
it.
>
>I'm not about to sweep that bit of awkwardness under the rug. 
>
>For whatever reason Teilhard should not be subjected to the same scrutiny I
>suppose.

Of course he is subject to scrutiny but in an objective way, not a
one-sided way as per the Wiki article you quoted.