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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: John Harshman <john.harshman@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: feathers (and one bird) Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 06:09:13 -0700 Organization: University of Ediacara Lines: 52 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <g2adnVZF3fpkjd_7nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> References: <v1o9fl$5fep$1@solani.org> <v1oevf$26f0c$2@dont-email.me> <v1oo1h$28jvd$1@dont-email.me> <v1ouua$5r6v$1@solani.org> <dfd14j1o4vt3no2j4rpkd1kdlaf634usk5@4ax.com> <c6ednelICurcXN37nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <ufm34jdsdqrmavq2de95uab1eja0ditvc8@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="59047"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: <poster@giganews.com> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id A8B18229786; Mon, 13 May 2024 09:09:48 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FDE5229767 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 13 May 2024 09:09:46 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtp (envelope-from <poster@giganews.com>) id 1s6VRC-00000001RxB-13dY; Mon, 13 May 2024 15:09:54 +0200 by egress-mx.phmgmt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7EA4606A6 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 13 May 2024 13:08:36 +0000 (UTC) by serv-2.ord.giganews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150D9440699 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 13 May 2024 08:09:14 -0500 (CDT) by serv-2.i.ord.giganews.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 44DD9DsC028030; Mon, 13 May 2024 08:09:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: serv-2.i.ord.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f X-Path: news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 13:09:13 +0000 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <ufm34jdsdqrmavq2de95uab1eja0ditvc8@4ax.com> X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 5047 On 5/13/24 2:22 AM, jillery wrote: > On Sun, 12 May 2024 06:16:49 -0700, John Harshman > <john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 5/12/24 5:28 AM, jillery wrote: >>> On Sat, 11 May 2024 18:28:08 -0500, DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2024-05-11 4:30 PM, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>> JTEM presented the following explanation : >>>>>> DB Cates wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "In October 2022 a bird with the code name B6 set a new world record >>>>>>> that few people outside the field of ornithology noticed. Over the >>>>>>> course of 11 days, B6, a young Bar-tailed Godwit, flew from its >>>>>>> hatching ground in Alaska to its wintering ground in Tasmania, >>>>>>> covering 8,425 miles without taking a single break. For comparison, >>>>>>> there is only one commercial aircraft that can fly that far nonstop, >>>>>>> a Boeing 777 with a 213-foot wingspan and one of the most powerful >>>>>>> jet engines in the world. During its journey, B6—an animal that could >>>>>>> perch comfortably on your shoulder—did not land, did not eat, did not >>>>>>> drink and <i>did not stop flapping</i>, sustaining an average ground >>>>>>> speed of 30 miles per hour 24 hours a day as it winged its way to the >>>>>>> other end of the world. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not hard to imagine them tagging a bird, tracking it with GPS, >>>>>> but to know that it was continuously flapping it's wings? >>>>> >>>>> https://academic.oup.com/icb/article/48/1/134/627446 >>>>> >>>> I suppose with a rigorous enough definition of "continuous beating" they >>>> don't. But they are physically incapable of long gliding like an >>>> albatross but it is likely they use continuous beating with occasional >>>> short pauses, a common thing. But they know it never stopped or fed >>>> (continuous tracking) and it can't land on water without dying (can't >>>> feed and can't take off). >>>> The only time I've ever seen a shorebird gliding is when it is coming in >>>> for a landing. >>>> -- >>> >>> >>> Perhaps it was an African Gotwit. >> >> Was that a joke of some kind? If so, what? > > > How quickly you forget the classics: > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Rn_f75UHs> So the spelling "Gotwit" was just a typo, then. That's what confused me.