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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2025 07:18:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Note - ISP Screwed Up - Can WRITE But Not SEE Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc References: <bNOdnaADoYK2HQ36nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <20250122210010.2353d60f@ryz.dorfdsl.de> <c96dnWLIkv08Fwz6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <74ac8126-3732-0c2d-ef7e-87766df419ac@example.net> <vmtrde$1ll9u$23@dont-email.me> <aae6a8dd-fe2b-68ec-8627-c45b5da6959e@example.net> <8Yicnf7eGZv5rg76nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <93bf3323-a026-44f5-d841-4ce5a2a6c22b@example.net> <vn0sgi$2cs3n$2@dont-email.me> <023c6e24-b6bb-8d27-b4a2-47fc3c07affc@example.net> <vn1p1k$2l472$3@dont-email.me> From: "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> Organization: wokiesux Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2025 02:18:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <vn1p1k$2l472$3@dont-email.me> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <g6adnY8itZzGDQn6nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com> Lines: 49 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-98EfYeML20qNy0DnQ+KN6bxzd9IT5ky+8p9Fcutea3mDlXQFmnLhIoNDggmbNo8VoheGREh1Eg+jAZ+!B/GE5+Oi1TwkHSHY1ESUf576W3yn8pPZV2cBYeuVtj2wLFI1Tbr/qmE2XRwZCI6y+ehO2N9YBb8W!6aCoqjFegK+lIMMEkW3S X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3706 On 1/24/25 11:24 PM, Rich wrote: > D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, Rich wrote: >> >>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >>>> On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>>>> Again though the "liability" issue for un-PC content. It's sort of >>>>> a prob in the USA but a much bigger prob in the EU and beyond. As >>>>> said, such a system needs to be located in a >>>>> who-knows/cares-country where it's hard to get at legally. >>>> >>>> In europe I would not worry about it at all. >>> >>> Europe is, sadly, one place where if you are in the wrong locality, you >>> *very much* have to worry about it. >> >> In which locality in europe would you have to worry about posts on usenet? > > There are several for which I've seen recent articles on HN about their > pushing the "big social platforms" [1] for ever varing amounts of > censorship (notably, censoring "things they don't like"). I only > tangentially read much of the linked articles (being in the US myself > it did not impact me in any way) and did not bother to even commit to > any short term memory the specific localities. But it is not a far > reach to go from "thou shal censor what I say to censor" to > "thou shal do said censoring under penalty X in my new statute Y" (esp. > if "big social platform" fail to bend over and take it). > > The fact that Usenet is all but unknown today, save for us few > die-hards, provides a large form of "protection" (that which is unknown > to the enforcers goes unpunished). At the same time, should a locality > have a "site owner responsible for content X" statute, obscurity is not > a blanket protection, it just reduces the risk of being noticed. But, > if noticed, then the punishment would show up. > > > > [1] the meta/facebook's and twitter/x's and the like Who Are The Brain Police ? NOT hard to find 'em in the EU. You can be ARRESTED for un-PC thinking ..... Very sad. Very embarrassing for the 'free world' concept.